28 mins confidence: peer agreement (net): +1 secure the ropes
Explanation: manoeuvre, s. f. (rope) - Tout cordage entrant dans le gréement d'un bateau. Dictionnaire de Marine I prefer the word 'secure' to 'attach', hence my answer. Otherwise, Michael's answer is of course correct.
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Whether you choose lines or ropes really depends on the ship in question. I don't know why, but I was imagining some kind of three masted ship. In which case the cordage would have been referred to as ropes and not lines. It's all to do with the circumference of the ropes.
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All my FR > EN dictionaries give 'ropes' for 'manoeuvres'. Manoeuvre, s.f. et m. Rope; Rigging; Tacking. 'une Manoeuvre est un morceau de cordage, chaîne, faisceau en fil de fer ou de laiton qui est disposé, à bord, pour le gréement ou pour le jeu de vergues et des voiles d'un navire. Il y a ainsi: Les Maonoeuvres courantes et les Manoeuvres dormantes - Les Manoeuvres basses ou des bas mâts et des basses voiles, et les Manoeuvres hautes ou des mât supérieurs et des voiles hautes. Les Manoeuvres du vent ou qui se trouvent du côté du navire frappé par le vent, et les Manoeuvres de sous le vent qui se trouvent de l'autre côté du navire...' Dictionnaire de Marine à Voiles Bonnefoux ROPES. A general name given to all the cordage above one inch in circumference used in rigging a ship; but the name is severally applied to the awning, bell, boat, bolt, breast, bucket, buoy, davit, entering, grapnel, guest or guist, guy, heel, keel, man, parral, passing, ring, rudder, slip, swab, tiller, top, and yard. The sailor's word book Admiral W.H. Smith Of course you can use the word 'ropes' on a ship. You 'man the ropes', you 'learn the ropes'. When you climb the rigging, you don't climb on 'lines' but 'ropes'. LINE. The general appelation of a number of small ropes in a ship, as buntlines, cluelines, bowlines, &c. The sailor's word book Admiral W.H. Smith The crew was very sorry for their captain's downfall, But the sight didn't their brave hearts appall; Because they fastened the ropes to the "Pique" at the capstan, And the "Pique" was dragged after the "Blanche," the sight was grand. http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/poems/mpgfight.htm http://www.napoleonicfrigates.com/Frigate/ChapterTen.htm Unfortunately, the storm gets worse and worse the further in we go. Ropes are snapping and sails being torn all over the ship, and the masts are swaying ominously. St Elmos Fire begins to play around the masts and the ship. http://www.clockworksky.net/pirates_pages/rp_ew_pirates_01.h... all her Standing Ropes and Running Ropes, with her Blocks http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=25812 Belay (to): make fast and secure a rope http://www.excelsiortrust.co.uk/modules/news/article.php?sto...
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OED 1933 Belay 5. Naut. To coil a running rope round a cleat, belaying pin, or kevel, so as to fasten or secure it. To fasten by so putting it round. Said especially of one of the small ropes, used for working the sails. 1627. CAPT SMITH Seaman's Gram. ix. 42 To belay, is to make fast the ropes in their proper places. b. transf. To make fast, tie, secure.
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The officer of the deck began to walk forward, leaving Charlie alone beside the skylight. Stacked on a nearby rack were some belaying pins - iron cylinders to which were fastened the ropes of the ship's running rigging. Sea of glory Nathaniel Philbrick
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Asker: many thanks Miranda! this is all proving quite an eye-opener!
Asker: Hi Miranda, you're probably not far off the mark with the 3 sails. It is in fact a type-12 frigate, dating to the 18th century. But I have no idea of the diameter of the ropes (or whatever!) except that they are all between 5 and 138 mm
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Explanation: 1 - « Guide des gréements », Ed. Le Chasse-marée, "capeler : garnir en enfilant une manoeuvre en oeil sur une bitte, un espar". The difficulty here is our natural resistance to consider "manoeuvre" as part of the rigging not the thing we might do. "manoeuvre : terme désignant tout cordage utilisé dans le gréement d'un bateau… Les manoeuvres dormantes sont fixes comme les haubans. Les manopeuvres courantes peuvent coulisser pour hisser… » 2 - "Boating terms", Ed. John Rousmanière. "Line : a length of rope for a particular purpose. (The only piece of rope on a boat is a boltrope).” 3 - "Oxford A-Z of Sailing Terms", Ian Dear, Peter Kemp : “Rig,to : in a sailing vessel to set up the standing rigging, send up the yards and reeve the running rigging" CONCLUSION : In answer to this question, I would opt for “rig”. As to the underlying question relating to “line/rope”. Rope is generally only used to describe the item, to all cordage of over one inch. As soon as your context specifically describes these things on a vessel, they become “lines” with the exception of “boltrope”.
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This has to be read together with your other posting from this extract : http://www.proz.com/kudoz/3120452 The word "manoeuvre" here refers to the rigging. In context, to "standing rigging" and in the second term (faire courir...) to the running rigging.
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