camp de rassemblement

English translation: assembly camp

21:16 Jan 24, 2009
French to English translations [PRO]
Military / Defense
French term or phrase: camp de rassemblement
Le camp de rassemblement de Valcartier a vu le jour en 1914 afin d’assurer l’entraînement des Forces expéditionnaires canadiennes.
Laura Molinari
Canada
Local time: 06:59
English translation:assembly camp
Explanation:
The following letters from VALCARTIER TRAINING CAMP in Quebec were written by Pte. Goldwin M. Pirie, 1st Battalion Western Ontario Regiment, ...
www.canadiangreatwarproject.com/transcripts/transcriptDispl...

VALCARTIER CAMP By Bernie Monaghan
At the outbreak of World War 1 in 19l4, a large section of the Township of Valcartier was selected by the Federal Government as a site for a MILITARY TRAINING CAMP. As a result, this decision caused the properties of a sub¬stantial number of residents who lived in the area, mostly farmers, to be expropriated.
As a war was on and the decision to expropriate had been made in short order, some of the residents were reluctant to leave and remained in their homes even after shells began bursting around them.
Valcartier Camp was the creation of Sam Hughes, right hand man of Sir Robert Borden who was Prime Minister of Canada at that time. Mr. Hughes, an ardent Orangeman, had been in charge of the Nation's Military Forces since 19l1. He held the rank of Major-General. He was always considered a con¬troversial figure and reference to him for the most part was considered derogatory.
August 24th, 19l4, saw the first troops arrive in Valcartier. Here some thirty-three thousand soldiers were to be TRAINED for overseas service. In less than a month the tract of land bisected by the Jacques Cartier River, had been transformed into a bustling Military Camp complete with roads, water mains, railway sidings, stores, showers and movies for the troops, and three miles of rifle range besides training space for heavy artillery and cavalry
http://www.pbalkcom.com/Cassin Pages/HistoryValcartier.htm

Below are some First World War mass-produced postcards from the Canadian TRAINING CAMP AT VALCARTIER, Quebec. This was the area set up by ...
ca.geocities.com/anbas2/index.html

"Cadet camp", possibly:
Help is needed to contact all the cadets that were in D Company at CADET CAMP Valcartier 1974, a get-together is being planned for July 24, ...
forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=71023.0

Possibly "mobilization camp":
CFB Valcartier was originally erected as a military camp in August of 1914 as part of the MOBILIZATION of a Canadian Expeditionary Force at the onset of World War I.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_valcartier

But tha authoritative answer appears to be "assembly camp", if "training camp" won't do:
He came swiftly to the conclusion that an ASSEMBLY CAMP was essential near to the port of embarkation, selected the ground at Valcartier, which was already ...
www.archive.org/stream/warstoryofcanadi01adamuoft/warstoryo...

Certainly the first contingent that was raised at the outbeak of war in August, 1914, had a huge number of expatriates from the U.K. Desmond Morton, in his outstanding book When Your Number's Up writes that 70 per cent of the First Contingent's other ranks were British born.
"Even when the most obviously unsuitable would-be volunteers had been sent home (from the ASSEMBLY CAMP at Valcartier, Quebec)," Morton writes, "more than 30,000 men remained."
www.militaryhorse.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8144&start=...

INTRODUCTION 5

I. RISE OF THE C.A.M.C. / . .11

II. THE ASSEMBLY AT VALCARTIER, AND THE CROSSING
Already the Minister of Militia had selected the plain at Valcartier, near Quebec, as the ASSEMBLY PLACE, and the order laid down that the troops should concentrate there,* where final selection and acceptance for service would be determined and medical and veterinary equipment would be issued.
[... ]
He came swiftly to the conclusion that an ASSEMBLY CAMP was essential near to the port of embarkation, selected the ground at Valcartier, which was
already under consideration for an artillery training ground
http://www.archive.org/stream/warstoryofcanadi01adamuoft/war...


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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-24 23:02:10 GMT)
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Another option might be "enlistment camp", although the expression does not appear to be used specifically for Valcartier. From what I can make out, Valcartier was used for separating the wheat from the chaff among volunteers while also being an assembly point close to the point of embarkation.

Thus examining an example of such negative war news to see what ... of the BEF in a letter home to his family from ENLISTMENT CAMP on 16 November 1914: The ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0415350050...

were leased to the State of Ohio to be used as an ENLISTMENT CAMP during the Civil War. ... Docent: Christian Waldschmidt Homestead & Civil War Museum ...
www.faqs.org/qa/qa-43831.html

If you're into war games:
There are several buildings which can be built, including refugee/enlistment camps (refugee camps for the ICP, ENLISTMENT CAMPS for the GHOST), barracks, vehicle factories, and logistics buildings (which speed up unit and structure construction/training times).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_Zone

Phillip Russell and his four sons who came here from Virginia in 1816. The area is west of Carterville. It was the site of a Civil War ENLISTMENT CAMP. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0938021761...

started to march to the ENLISTMENT CAMP about three miles away. ...
www.aasd.k12.wi.us/Wilson/Student Spotlight/Civil War stori...

As the War Between the States heated up, it was decided to open a huge ENLISTMENT CAMP north of town. Named after Confederate President Jeff Davis, ...
www.thespiritnewspaper.com/2006/February/16th/1AStory.html


Selected response from:

Bourth (X)
Local time: 12:59
Grading comment
Given the context and some of the references, I think 'training camp' is well suited. Thank you.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1assembly camp
Bourth (X)
4marshalling camp
Pierre POUSSIN
4base/depot
B D Finch
3depot
Nicholas Clayton (X)


  

Answers


11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
marshalling camp


Explanation:
or "Marshalling area"

Pierre POUSSIN
France
Local time: 12:59
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 87

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  B D Finch: I think you are right, but need some references to show it can apply to a training camp, such as Valcartier.
14 hrs
  -> Thanks! And maybe Bourth is right!
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
assembly camp


Explanation:
The following letters from VALCARTIER TRAINING CAMP in Quebec were written by Pte. Goldwin M. Pirie, 1st Battalion Western Ontario Regiment, ...
www.canadiangreatwarproject.com/transcripts/transcriptDispl...

VALCARTIER CAMP By Bernie Monaghan
At the outbreak of World War 1 in 19l4, a large section of the Township of Valcartier was selected by the Federal Government as a site for a MILITARY TRAINING CAMP. As a result, this decision caused the properties of a sub¬stantial number of residents who lived in the area, mostly farmers, to be expropriated.
As a war was on and the decision to expropriate had been made in short order, some of the residents were reluctant to leave and remained in their homes even after shells began bursting around them.
Valcartier Camp was the creation of Sam Hughes, right hand man of Sir Robert Borden who was Prime Minister of Canada at that time. Mr. Hughes, an ardent Orangeman, had been in charge of the Nation's Military Forces since 19l1. He held the rank of Major-General. He was always considered a con¬troversial figure and reference to him for the most part was considered derogatory.
August 24th, 19l4, saw the first troops arrive in Valcartier. Here some thirty-three thousand soldiers were to be TRAINED for overseas service. In less than a month the tract of land bisected by the Jacques Cartier River, had been transformed into a bustling Military Camp complete with roads, water mains, railway sidings, stores, showers and movies for the troops, and three miles of rifle range besides training space for heavy artillery and cavalry
http://www.pbalkcom.com/Cassin Pages/HistoryValcartier.htm

Below are some First World War mass-produced postcards from the Canadian TRAINING CAMP AT VALCARTIER, Quebec. This was the area set up by ...
ca.geocities.com/anbas2/index.html

"Cadet camp", possibly:
Help is needed to contact all the cadets that were in D Company at CADET CAMP Valcartier 1974, a get-together is being planned for July 24, ...
forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=71023.0

Possibly "mobilization camp":
CFB Valcartier was originally erected as a military camp in August of 1914 as part of the MOBILIZATION of a Canadian Expeditionary Force at the onset of World War I.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_valcartier

But tha authoritative answer appears to be "assembly camp", if "training camp" won't do:
He came swiftly to the conclusion that an ASSEMBLY CAMP was essential near to the port of embarkation, selected the ground at Valcartier, which was already ...
www.archive.org/stream/warstoryofcanadi01adamuoft/warstoryo...

Certainly the first contingent that was raised at the outbeak of war in August, 1914, had a huge number of expatriates from the U.K. Desmond Morton, in his outstanding book When Your Number's Up writes that 70 per cent of the First Contingent's other ranks were British born.
"Even when the most obviously unsuitable would-be volunteers had been sent home (from the ASSEMBLY CAMP at Valcartier, Quebec)," Morton writes, "more than 30,000 men remained."
www.militaryhorse.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8144&start=...

INTRODUCTION 5

I. RISE OF THE C.A.M.C. / . .11

II. THE ASSEMBLY AT VALCARTIER, AND THE CROSSING
Already the Minister of Militia had selected the plain at Valcartier, near Quebec, as the ASSEMBLY PLACE, and the order laid down that the troops should concentrate there,* where final selection and acceptance for service would be determined and medical and veterinary equipment would be issued.
[... ]
He came swiftly to the conclusion that an ASSEMBLY CAMP was essential near to the port of embarkation, selected the ground at Valcartier, which was
already under consideration for an artillery training ground
http://www.archive.org/stream/warstoryofcanadi01adamuoft/war...


--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-24 23:02:10 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Another option might be "enlistment camp", although the expression does not appear to be used specifically for Valcartier. From what I can make out, Valcartier was used for separating the wheat from the chaff among volunteers while also being an assembly point close to the point of embarkation.

Thus examining an example of such negative war news to see what ... of the BEF in a letter home to his family from ENLISTMENT CAMP on 16 November 1914: The ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0415350050...

were leased to the State of Ohio to be used as an ENLISTMENT CAMP during the Civil War. ... Docent: Christian Waldschmidt Homestead & Civil War Museum ...
www.faqs.org/qa/qa-43831.html

If you're into war games:
There are several buildings which can be built, including refugee/enlistment camps (refugee camps for the ICP, ENLISTMENT CAMPS for the GHOST), barracks, vehicle factories, and logistics buildings (which speed up unit and structure construction/training times).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_Zone

Phillip Russell and his four sons who came here from Virginia in 1816. The area is west of Carterville. It was the site of a Civil War ENLISTMENT CAMP. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0938021761...

started to march to the ENLISTMENT CAMP about three miles away. ...
www.aasd.k12.wi.us/Wilson/Student Spotlight/Civil War stori...

As the War Between the States heated up, it was decided to open a huge ENLISTMENT CAMP north of town. Named after Confederate President Jeff Davis, ...
www.thespiritnewspaper.com/2006/February/16th/1AStory.html




Bourth (X)
Local time: 12:59
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 136
Grading comment
Given the context and some of the references, I think 'training camp' is well suited. Thank you.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Michel F. Morin
3 mins

neutral  writeaway: so in the end, what is your answer? it looks like it was a miltary camp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valcartier
11 hrs
  -> That it's a "military camp" was a given, I think. As for my "answer", it's several propositions, all valid, depending on precise context and Asker's subjectivity.
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21 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
base/depot


Explanation:
I have now consulted my partner, who doubles as my military consultant, seeing as he was unfortunate enough to have spent time in the British army. He says that the word is "base", or "depot".

Googling reveals:

"However, antitank firing ranges sampled showed high levels of contamination by HMX, a high explosive used in many antitank rockets. This report details the characterization of five antitank ranges located at **Canadian Forces Base Valcartier**, Western Area Training Center Wainwright and Canadian Forces Ammunition Depot, Dundurn."
http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=ht...

"Original panoramic framed photo of 2nd Depot Battalion, 2nd Quebec Regiment taken at Camp Valcartier on 26 June 1918. In good condition. ..."
london.kijiji.ca/f-buy-and-sell-W0QQCatIdZ10QQKeywordZvalcartier

So, I'd call it a base. Marshalling seems to be used about vehicles, rather than soldiers.





B D Finch
France
Local time: 12:59
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8
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6 days   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
depot


Explanation:
When researching la guerre de 1870, it appeared that the French army under Napoléon III used the term "camp de rassemblement" and "depot" interchangably.

Nicholas Clayton (X)
Local time: 06:59
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
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