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all-new vs. brand new

English translation: yes

00:45 Jan 13, 2009
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
English term or phrase: all-new vs. brand new
Is "all-new" different from "brand new", and in case, what is the difference?

Example of use:
"Palm Unveils All-new webOS"
http://investor.palm.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=358392
Egil Presttun
Norway
Local time: 15:04
Selected answer:yes
Explanation:
all new, ie; an all new design

"an all new kitchen" would mean everything including the design, the plumbing, lighting and fittings and fixtures, flooring etc

"a brand new Kitchen", new cupboards and a few other things, not necessarily a new design, or new plumbing, or dish washer etc

Brand new - not second hand

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Note added at 12 mins (2009-01-13 00:57:46 GMT)
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in your link you can see the wording "built from the ground up" this is "all new" started with a clean sheet of paper.

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Note added at 20 hrs (2009-01-13 21:43:51 GMT) Post-grading
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Thank you Egil
Selected response from:

Gary D
Local time: 23:04
Grading comment
Thanks to all of you! It's not easy to pick one answer among three equally good answers, but I must make a choice. Kudos to all of you!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED
4 +6completely updated vs. original creation
Michael Powers (PhD)
5 +5yes
Gary D
5 +4Yes, in theory!
Tony M


Discussion entries: 1





  

Answers


6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +6
completely updated vs. original creation


Explanation:
I believe there is a difference. "All new" implies updating or changing all aspects of something that existed before, whereas "brand new" is an original creation or invention, if you will.

Thus, an "all-new presentation" is the redoing of a former presentation, whereas a "brand new presentation" is one that did ever exist before.

Mike :)

Michael Powers (PhD)
United States
Local time: 09:04
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 83

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Alice Bootman
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Alice - Mike :)
agree  chaman4723
4 hrs
  -> Thank you, chaman4723 - Mike :)
agree  Maria Mandulova
5 hrs
  -> Thank you, Florance - Mike :)
agree  AniseK
7 hrs
  -> Thank you, Anisek - Mike :)
neutral  Tony M: I think your explanation is woolly, and in fact, could be the complete opposite of the actual state of affairs.
7 hrs
  -> I respectfully disagree; however, I appreciate your opinion.
agree  Alexandra Taggart: "All new"-no one old vesion/non-updated part; "brand new"-new design
9 hrs
  -> Thank you, Alexondra - Mike :)
agree  jccantrell: How I understand it, too.
14 hrs
  -> Thank you, jccantrell - Mike :)
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +4
Yes, in theory!


Explanation:
'all-new' is intended to imply that everything about it is new, nothing of it existed before at all, etc.

'brand new' just suggests it is very recent, without such a connotation of anything innovative or original.

Cf.:

"I just bought a brand new car, but I got a good price, as it was last year's model."

"This year's all-new model is a complete departure for Renault, with a new engine, totally redesigned bodywork, and new, high-spec features."

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Note added at 7 hrs (2009-01-13 08:40:26 GMT)
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I added the caveat "in theory", because in actual practice these terms are often sprinkled liberally into marketing texts, without much care as to the literal, accurate meanings — all part of today's hype, I'm afraid!

Tony M
France
Local time: 15:04
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 309

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Wil Hardman (X): I think your explanation is the most accurate, however I don't think the differences is always black and white (as you say) and in certain contexts the terms can be used interchangeably to transmit the same overall idea.
28 mins
  -> Thanks, Wil! Yes, totally agree.
agree  Mark Nathan: all-new suggests some element of design has changed, brand new just that it has been manufactured recently.
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Mark! Yes, i think your explanation is rather more succinct than mine!
agree  Ken Cox: and with Wil -- in the specific context of the asker's question, all-new (if it is true) means that every part of the OS has been made new (not copied or reused from a previous version). 'Brand-new' is generally the opposite of 'used' or 'second-hand'.
2 hrs
  -> Thanks, ken! Another good explanation.
agree  NancyLynn: with Mark too
5 hrs
  -> Thanks, Nancy! HNY!
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +5
yes


Explanation:
all new, ie; an all new design

"an all new kitchen" would mean everything including the design, the plumbing, lighting and fittings and fixtures, flooring etc

"a brand new Kitchen", new cupboards and a few other things, not necessarily a new design, or new plumbing, or dish washer etc

Brand new - not second hand

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Note added at 12 mins (2009-01-13 00:57:46 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

in your link you can see the wording "built from the ground up" this is "all new" started with a clean sheet of paper.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 20 hrs (2009-01-13 21:43:51 GMT) Post-grading
--------------------------------------------------

Thank you Egil

Gary D
Local time: 23:04
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 18
Grading comment
Thanks to all of you! It's not easy to pick one answer among three equally good answers, but I must make a choice. Kudos to all of you!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  The Misha
43 mins
  -> Thank you Misha
agree  Jack Doughty
6 hrs
  -> Thanks Jack
agree  Bashiqa: Brand new as in just out of the showroom
7 hrs
  -> Thank you Bashiqa
agree  Phong Le
9 hrs
  -> Thank you Phong
agree  Ken Cox
9 hrs
  -> Thank you Ken
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