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stelsel van scheiding van goederen

English translation: matrimonial regime of separate estates

20:10 Nov 4, 2008
Dutch to English translations [Non-PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general)
Dutch term or phrase: stelsel van scheiding van goederen
This is with regard to a marriage contract
angharad williams
Switzerland
English translation:matrimonial regime of separate estates
Explanation:
I prefer "separate estates"
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Andre de Vries
United Kingdom
Local time: 13:36
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1matrimonial regime of separate estates
Andre de Vries
4statement of separate property
Textpertise
4ante nuptial contract
L.J.Wessel van Leeuwen
3 -1Partition of the matrimonial regime of the Partnership
inge kinget
Summary of reference entries provided
reference info
Chris Hopley

Discussion entries: 2





  

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statement of separate property


Explanation:
If, when a couple marries, the husband and wife wish to keep their property separate, they need to have a statement of separate property, similar to that given in the example. Otherwise they are deemed to be married under "community of property", or in Dutch, "gemeenschap van goederen", which means that they hold everything in common.


    Reference: http://law.justia.com/idaho/codes/32ftoc/320090003.html
Textpertise
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Partition of the matrimonial regime of the Partnership


Explanation:
I think the same translation has been asked for on Proz. from Spanish into English

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/law:_contracts/...

inge kinget
United States
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  writeaway: It's been asked in many language pairs before, including this one.
53 mins
disagree  Andre de Vries: the regime is not partitioned - it's the property or estates
1 hr
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matrimonial regime of separate estates


Explanation:
I prefer "separate estates"

Andre de Vries
United Kingdom
Local time: 13:36
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Chris Hopley: http://www.belgium.be/nl/familie/koppel/huwelijk/huwelijksve...
15 hrs
  -> thanks
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ante nuptial contract


Explanation:
In SA we call t to marry with an anti nuptial contract. ANC for short and then we are not referring to the political party....

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Note added at 18 hrs (2008-11-05 14:49:58 GMT)
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You can stipulate in an ANC what you want, exclude some or accept other terms and conditions. It is called an A.N.Contract because you enter into this contract before you sign on the dotted lines. Whether you add or deduct certain items or not is immaterial: the point is that you enter into a contract (a contract is a contract immaterial of the country). It is called an ante nuptial contract and not a rental contract because it deals precisely with the marriage (whether in Belgium or wherever).

L.J.Wessel van Leeuwen
South Africa
Local time: 14:36
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  jarry (X): married out of community of property
3 hrs
  -> Bedankt. Dat sommige nog hiermee worstelen....!
agree  Dave Calderhead: also called pre-nuptial agreement, or prenuptial (without hyphen) // No - perhaps there is a group somewhere called PNA (Post-Neitzche Association?) ;D
9 hrs
  -> Bedankt. You can't make a pun on the ANC (the political party) then..."Who" knows, he knows all...
disagree  Chris Hopley: In Belgium, you choose one of two possible regimes in the "ANC": scheiding van goederen or algehele gemeenschap. // See my reference answer for more on why I disagree.
9 hrs
  -> I donot understand to what you disagree. One either chosses an ANC or not. Algehele is community of property. I am afraid that when you marry, you in any event enter into a contract. The term clearly states "SCHEIDING" therefore ANC.
disagree  Andre de Vries: this is only by implication - and as Chris says it wouldn't work where there is more than one regime
12 hrs
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Reference comments


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Reference: reference info

Reference information:
@L.J.Wessel van Leeuwen
I disagree with your proposed translation for various reasons:
1. You cannot translate 'stelsel van scheiding van goederen' as 'ante nuptial contract'. The stelsel is one of the things you can arrange in an ante-nuptial contract.
2. In Belgium, - which judging by the terminology is where the document may come from - when you enter in into an ante-nuptional contract, you can choose one of TWO possible matrimonial property regimes: EITHER het stelsel van scheiding van goederen OR het stelsel van algehele gemeenschap. There is also a third possibility: het wettelijke stelsel, which - as the name suggests - is the property regime that applies when no ante-nuptial contract is signed.
3. There's no point in saying 'well in SA we call it this or that', because, as you're well aware, the SA system is different, as is the US system, UK system, AUS system, NL system, etc. etc. Asker is looking for a translation, not a comparative study of laws.

Chris Hopley
Netherlands
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Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Andre de Vries
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