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frégaté

English translation: tumblehomed

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French term or phrase:frégaté
English translation:tumblehomed
Entered by: Tony M

06:03 Jul 24, 2008
French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Ships, Sailing, Maritime / stern type for pleasure craft
French term or phrase: frégaté
As in 'arrière frégaté'

I know exactly what this is: the kind of low stern with inward curving (tumblehome) sides often found on certain types of motor launch, for example. Here is a picture of exactly the type of thing I mean (please ignore hideous bathing platform!):

http://www.apmarsden.my.proz.com/fregate.jpg

Despite all my best endeavours, I have been unable to find any direct and unequivocal reference to this on En or bi-lingual sites, and for once I am completely stumped as to what to search for — clearly, I have already tried the obvious things like 'frigate stern' and 'launch stern' ('cruiser stern' is of course something completely different).

My own experience is much more of sailing boats than motor-boats, and I am at a loss to know what we call this in UK (or even US) EN.

Many thanks in advance for your urgent help!
Tony M
France
Local time: 14:47
tumblehome
Explanation:
This comes up as the translation of 'frégaté' in a couple of links I've been able to find - but I have a feeling you have already discounted using it, as you mention it already in your text. For what it's worth:

http://www.fky.org/doku/classic_six_metre_2008.pdf

"The mention here of a frigate is a play on words since the French word for tumblehome is “frigated”.]. I have always been an advocate of tumblehome for racing yachts All the Sixes I’ve designed, beginning with Madame Poulet [1907], have had hard chines and lean lines.”

And here the term used is 'frigatage' for 'tumblehome'.
http://www.e-frenchtranslation.com/fr/termes_nautique.htm

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Not knowing the subject in any detail at all, this is all a bit of guess work, but in terms of adjectives, the term "TUMBLEHOMED" gets a fair few (54) ghits - see

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=2706261

"Tumblehome is used in varying degrees on some of the most sophisticated canoes. But when you wrap a tight bilge curve you sacrifice seaworthiness. A very skilled canoeist can bring a highly tumblehomed boat through some awesome pitches."
http://gorp.away.com/gorp/publishers/ics/how_cano.htm

The very first hull design to feature the radically “tumblehomed” stern was the 16' Race Boat (hull series 42000-42166).
http://www.barrelback.com/models_detail.html
Selected response from:

Irene McClure
Local time: 14:47
Grading comment
Many thanks, Irene! In the end, this was the term I used — the tumblehome was certainly the major feature of the stern that was being highlighted, and I did find on the 'Net a sprinkling of occurrences of its use as an adjective, hideous though it is!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +1tumblehome at the stern
Graham macLachlan
1 +2tumblehome
Irene McClure
2raked transom
Jack Dunwell
1transom (stern)
Vicky James


Discussion entries: 7





  

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40 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5
transom (stern)


Explanation:
http://www.cowichan.com/business/boatbuilder/dorystyle.htm

Sorry, a pure guess.

Feel free to rip apart!

Vicky James
United Kingdom
Local time: 13:47
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks Vicky! Trouble is, all sorts of sterns have transoms; what I'm looking for is what makes this one specific.

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
raked transom


Explanation:
As a general description

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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-07-24 08:23:06 GMT)
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It's not truly anything is it Tony!! You describe tumblehome which comes in at the "top" and is pretty vertical at the water line.
This is therefore sheer.


Jack Dunwell
France
Local time: 14:47
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks, Fourth! In fact, this isn't truly what would usually be called a 'raked' transom; it is materially vertical, so in that sense, is a 'plumb' one. What makes it specific is the fact that it is fairly low to the water, and most specifically, is narrower at deck level than at any point above the waterline.

Asker: I think the real problem is that it isn't a feature of the transom per se, but rather of the aft-end of the hull shape.

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5 peer agreement (net): +2
tumblehome


Explanation:
This comes up as the translation of 'frégaté' in a couple of links I've been able to find - but I have a feeling you have already discounted using it, as you mention it already in your text. For what it's worth:

http://www.fky.org/doku/classic_six_metre_2008.pdf

"The mention here of a frigate is a play on words since the French word for tumblehome is “frigated”.]. I have always been an advocate of tumblehome for racing yachts All the Sixes I’ve designed, beginning with Madame Poulet [1907], have had hard chines and lean lines.”

And here the term used is 'frigatage' for 'tumblehome'.
http://www.e-frenchtranslation.com/fr/termes_nautique.htm

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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-07-24 08:47:46 GMT)
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Not knowing the subject in any detail at all, this is all a bit of guess work, but in terms of adjectives, the term "TUMBLEHOMED" gets a fair few (54) ghits - see

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=2706261

"Tumblehome is used in varying degrees on some of the most sophisticated canoes. But when you wrap a tight bilge curve you sacrifice seaworthiness. A very skilled canoeist can bring a highly tumblehomed boat through some awesome pitches."
http://gorp.away.com/gorp/publishers/ics/how_cano.htm

The very first hull design to feature the radically “tumblehomed” stern was the 16' Race Boat (hull series 42000-42166).
http://www.barrelback.com/models_detail.html


Irene McClure
Local time: 14:47
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Many thanks, Irene! In the end, this was the term I used — the tumblehome was certainly the major feature of the stern that was being highlighted, and I did find on the 'Net a sprinkling of occurrences of its use as an adjective, hideous though it is!
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks, Irene! That is indeed most helpful, and I had not previously found the 2 terms associated in this way. My worry is that the tumblehome is only one of the features of this type of stern, and also, how to work it in to my sentence, as the original uses it as an adjective.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Cervin: See pics and spec here: link updated: http://www.chriscraftboats.com/pdfs/Corsair_28_Brochure.pdf but too late! Sorry!
17 mins
  -> thanks chris, although I can't click on the link.
agree  Miranda Joubioux (X): Yes that's it - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumblehome
32 mins
  -> thanks miranda, useful link.
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
arrière frégaté
tumblehome at the stern


Explanation:
is how I'd work it into a sentence:

The tumblehome at the stern prevents too much water coming aboard when under way in heavy seas or surf. Sailing a coble is an art learned from father or ...
www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A891137


Frégatage (tumblehome) : Désigne la forme des flancs du bateau lorsque la largeur à la flottaison est supérieure à celle au pont. Ce terme fait réference à la forme des frégates.
Guide des termes de marine, Chasse-marée



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Note added at 6 hrs (2008-07-24 12:20:16 GMT)
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This produces a smooth flared bow and gives some tumblehome at the stern.
www.amateurboatbuilding.com/articles/design/bateau/FL26_pre...

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Note added at 6 hrs (2008-07-24 12:20:49 GMT)
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She sports a clipper stem bow and an ample amount of flare that transitions into the tumblehome at the stern.
www.southport-boatworks.com/news.php?id=7

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Note added at 6 hrs (2008-07-24 12:21:53 GMT)
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With lots of flare in the bow sections, and tumblehome at the stern, she has looks that match her performance.
www.dhylanboats.com/dhbplanpm.html

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Note added at 6 hrs (2008-07-24 12:25:41 GMT)
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I'd be wary of using "tumblehome stern" despite the numerous Ghits (only 1 UK Ghit mind you):

the Avid 24, sports a high flared bow, large molded spray rails and a graceful sheer line that sweeps down to a beautiful tumblehome stern. ...
www.boatingbay.com/listings/2007-Other-Manufacturer-2897.ht...

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Note added at 8 days (2008-08-01 11:19:43 GMT) Post-grading
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no worries (it's Graham not Martin, and you mentioned 'tumblehome' in your preamble anyway :-))

Graham macLachlan
Local time: 14:47
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 352
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks a lot, Martin, for your informed and thoughtful answer. I hope you won't be offended if on this occasion I award the KudoZ to Irene, who was the first to propose this term (albeit without your very helpful discussion / explanations)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Catherine CHAUVIN: Je ne suis pas spécialiste, mais je sais que tu l'es.
9 hrs
  -> thanks Catherine!
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