Livery Company

Portuguese translation: Grêmio / Livery company

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English term or phrase:Livery Company
Portuguese translation:Grêmio / Livery company
Entered by: Arlete Moraes

17:26 Jun 12, 2008
English to Portuguese translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general)
English term or phrase: Livery Company
In the past a notary practising within three miles of the City of London had to be a freeman of the Worshipful Company of Scriveners, one of the ancient Livery Companies of the City of London.
Arlete Moraes
Local time: 05:05
grêmio OR livery company
Explanation:
I am reluctant to stray into this area because I'm often critical of native PT speakers who answer in the PT>EN pair - cultural understanding is so important. It's a very difficult concept to define in PT: the livery companies certainly have their roots in the medieval London guilds but are nowadays full of fat prosperous lawyers and accountants - a sort of old boys' dining club that does a certain amount of charitable sponsorship and throws splendid dinners for its liverymen (members).

AS for Roberto's answer, the liverymen were entitled to wear the Company's livery in the distant past, but this is now reduced to certain badges and chains of office worn by the principal officers.

Because the concept is unique, I would argue that one solution is to leave 'livery company' as it is (perhaps with an explantion in a footnote). As for 'grêmio', it would work as a translation here in Spain but I'm not sure about Portugal.
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lexical
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Lexical, thank you very much indeed for your explanation. Definitely, cultural understanding is very important! :-)
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Summary of answers provided
5 +2associações comerciais medievais de Londres
M. Celina Alonso Neves
4 +2Associação/corporação de artesãos ou de comerciantes
Ione Koseki
4 +1empresa oficial
Roberto Cavalcanti
4sindicato patronal..
airmailrpl
4corporações londrinas
Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida
3grêmio OR livery company
lexical


  

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livery company
empresa oficial


Explanation:
liv·er·y1 Audio Help /ˈlɪvəri, ˈlɪvri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[liv-uh-ree, liv-ree] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -er·ies. 1. a distinctive uniform, badge, or device formerly provided by someone of rank or title for his retainers, as in time of war.
2. a uniform worn by servants.
3. distinctive attire worn by an official, a member of a company or guild, etc.
4. Also called livery company. British. a guild or company of the City of London entitled to wear such livery.


Roberto Cavalcanti
Brazil
Local time: 01:05
Native speaker of: Portuguese
PRO pts in category: 101

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Isabel Maria Almeida: concordo
0 min
  -> Grato Isabel
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livery company
Associação/corporação de artesãos ou de comerciantes


Explanation:
Segundo o Merriam-Webster's Unabridged Dictionary:
"Livery Company = any of various London craft or trade associations that are descended from medieval guilds".

Ione Koseki
Local time: 01:05
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agree  Andrea Munhoz
11 mins

agree  Isabel Nunes (X): é isto mesmo: corporação de artesãos/ofícios
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livery company
associações comerciais medievais de Londres


Explanation:
Conforme o dic. Michaelis:
livery company - companhia de libré: associações comerciais medievais de Londres cujos membros usavam trajes especiais em ocasiões de cerimônia.

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Note added at 14 mins (2008-06-12 17:41:10 GMT)
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Livery company - no singular, claro: associação comercial medieval

M. Celina Alonso Neves
Brazil
Local time: 01:05
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 31

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agree  Marlene Curtis: Sim, antigas associações comerciais
38 mins
  -> Obrigada, Marlene.

agree  rhandler: Matou a pau!
2 hrs
  -> Obrigada, Rhandler... rsrsrs

neutral  airmailrpl: these companies exist today
2 days 14 hrs
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livery company
sindicato patronal..


Explanation:
As livery companies are founded by royal charter, they are under no obligation to file any records at Companies House. They are only accountable to their membership and the ways in which they spend their millions is totally discretionary..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/...

Definitions of "Livery " on the Web:
uniform worn by some menservants and chauffeurs

A livery is a uniform or other sign worn in a non-military context on a person or object (such as an airplane) to denote a relationship with a person or corporate body, often by using elements of the heraldry relating to that person or body, or a personal emblem, and normally given by them. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livery

It derives from the French livrée, meaning delivered. Most often it would indicate that the person was a servant, dependent, follower or friend of the owner of the livery, or, for objects, that the object belonged to them.

Modern usage
From this core meaning, multiple extended or specialist meanings have derived. Examples include:

A livery company is the name used for a guild in the City of London; members of the company were allowed to dress their servants in the distinctive uniform of their trade, and the company's charters enabled them to prevent others from embarking upon the trades within the company's jurisdiction.


See also:

LIVERY
LIVERY COMPANIES , the name given to particular companies or See also:
SOCIETIES, LEARNED
societies in the See also:
CITY (through Fr. cite, from Lat. civitas)
city of See also:
LONDON
London . They belong to a class of institutions which at one See also:
TIME (0. Eng. Lima, cf. Icel. timi, Swed. timme, hour, Dan. time; from the root also seen in " tide," properly the time of between the flow and ebb of the sea, cf. O. Eng. getidan, to happen, " even-tide," &c.; it is not directly related to Lat. tempus)
TIME, MEASUREMENT OF
TIME, STANDARD
time were universal in See also:
EUROPE
Europe . In most other countries they have disappeared; in See also:
ENGLAND
ENGLAND, THE CHURCH OF
England, while their functions have wholly changed, the organization remains . The origin of the city companies is to be found in the craftgilds of the See also:
MIDDLE
middle ages . The See also:
ABSENCE (Lat. absentia)
absence of a strong central authority accounts for the tendency of See also:
CONFEDERATION (Fr. confederation, Lat. confoederatio, from foedus, a league, foederare, to form a league)
confederation in the beginning of modern societies ...
The craftgilds were such societies, composed of handicraftsmen, which entered upon a struggle with the earlier gilds and finally defeated them . ..
In London the victory of the crafts is decisively marked by the See also:
ORDINANCE
ORDINANCE, or ORDONNANCE
ordinance of the time of See also:
EDWARD
Edward II., which required every See also:
CITIZEN (a form corrupted in Eng., apparently by analogy with " denizen," from O. Fr. citeain, mod. Fr. citoyen)
citizen to be a member of some See also:
TRADE (O. Eng. trod, footstep, from tredan, to tread; in M. Eng. the forms teed, trod and trade appear, the last in the sense of a beaten track)
TRADE, BOARD OF
trade or See also:
MYSTERY (Gr. µw(Trilpcov, from tcuvrm, an initiate, µfew, to shut the mouth)
mystery, and by another ordinance in 1375 which transferred the right of See also:
ELECTION
ELECTION (from Lat. eligere, to pick out)
election of corporate See also:
OFFICERS
officers (including members of See also:
PARLIAMENT (Anglo-Lat. parliamentum, Fr. parlement, from parler, to speak)
parliament) from the See also:
WARD
WARD, ADOLPHUS WILLIAM (1837- )
WARD, ARTEMUS
WARD, EDWARD MATTHEW (1816-1879)
WARD, ELIZABETH STUART PHELPS (1844-1911)
WARD, JAMES (1769--1859)
WARD, JAMES (1843– )
WARD, JOHN QUINCY ADAMS (1830-1910)
WARD, LESTER FRANK (1841– )
WARD, MARY AUGUSTA [MRS HUMPHRY WARD]
WARD, WILLIAM (1766-1826)
WARD, WILLIAM GEORGE (1812-1882)
ward-representatives to the trading companies . Henceforward, and for many years, the companies engrossed See also:
POLITICAL
political and municipal See also:
POWER [WILLIAM GRATTAN] TYRONE (1797-1841)
power in the city of London . The trading fraternities assumed generally the character of corporations in the reign of Edward III . ..
From this time they are called livery companies, "from now generally assuming a distinctive dress or livery."
They were therefore not merely trade unions in the current meaning of that phrase, but may rather be described as forms of See also:
INDUSTRIAL
industrial self-government, the basis of See also:
UNION
UNION (known locally as Union Hill and officially as Town of Union)
union being the membership of a common trade, and the authority of the society extending to the general welfare, spiritual and temporal, of its members .

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Note added at 33 mins (2008-06-12 18:00:39 GMT)
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http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/LEO_LOB/LIVERY_COMPANIES.html

airmailrpl
Brazil
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livery company
corporações londrinas


Language variant: PT(pt)

Explanation:
Diria assim.

Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida
Portugal
Local time: 05:05
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livery company
grêmio OR livery company


Explanation:
I am reluctant to stray into this area because I'm often critical of native PT speakers who answer in the PT>EN pair - cultural understanding is so important. It's a very difficult concept to define in PT: the livery companies certainly have their roots in the medieval London guilds but are nowadays full of fat prosperous lawyers and accountants - a sort of old boys' dining club that does a certain amount of charitable sponsorship and throws splendid dinners for its liverymen (members).

AS for Roberto's answer, the liverymen were entitled to wear the Company's livery in the distant past, but this is now reduced to certain badges and chains of office worn by the principal officers.

Because the concept is unique, I would argue that one solution is to leave 'livery company' as it is (perhaps with an explantion in a footnote). As for 'grêmio', it would work as a translation here in Spain but I'm not sure about Portugal.

lexical
Spain
Local time: 06:05
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
Lexical, thank you very much indeed for your explanation. Definitely, cultural understanding is very important! :-)
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