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le recouvrement entre ces deux notions

English translation: the overlap between these two notions

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French term or phrase:le recouvrement entre ces deux notions
English translation:the overlap between these two notions
Entered by: Carol Gullidge

10:43 Jun 4, 2008
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc. / social psychology
French term or phrase: le recouvrement entre ces deux notions
L’idéologie et les représentations sociales montrent une grande diversité d’approches: d’après Vergès (1991, p. 159) « la réduction de l’une à l’autre ou leur mise en face à face dépend d’un parti pris théorique ». Selon la façon dont on définit ces deux notions les relations qu’on leur attribue ne seront pas les mêmes. D’ailleurs Jodelet (1991, p. 22) remarque que « dans la littérature scientifique, nous n’avons rencontré qu’un seul modèle situant la représentation hors de l’idéologie. Celui de F. Dumont (1974) récusant ____________* le recouvrement entre ces deux notions *__________, dans une approche pluraliste des idéologies qui les rapporte à l’action comme ‘pratiques de convergence’».

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I'm afraid I don't seem able to get my head round this passage. A literal translation simply doesn't sound right, but then, not being a social psychologist by profession...

I'd be very grateful for any ideas, preferably accompanied by an explanation, if poss! many thanks!
Carol Gullidge
United Kingdom
Local time: 21:14
overlapping of the two notions
Explanation:
Drmanu seems to have it.

My "overlapping" or "common features" is strictly a layman's try.

[récusant = contesting, of course]

Must be a very difficult job!

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-06-04 11:48:01 GMT)
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Ta for message!
French and philosophy is one hell of a combination - "quasiment" impossible to fathom. That's what they want!
Pleased to have been of assistance
JH
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kashew
France
Local time: 22:14
Grading comment
thanks again! This was really helpful.


4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +3overlapping of the two notions
kashew
4the coincidence between these two notions
Euqinimod (X)
3 +1the converging or the common domain of these two notions
Drmanu49


Discussion entries: 5





  

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26 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
overlapping of the two notions


Explanation:
Drmanu seems to have it.

My "overlapping" or "common features" is strictly a layman's try.

[récusant = contesting, of course]

Must be a very difficult job!

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-06-04 11:48:01 GMT)
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Ta for message!
French and philosophy is one hell of a combination - "quasiment" impossible to fathom. That's what they want!
Pleased to have been of assistance
JH

kashew
France
Local time: 22:14
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
thanks again! This was really helpful.

Notes to answerer
Asker: many thanks kashew, for the explanation - also the sympathy!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Melissa McMahon: the only model placing representation outside ideology - Dupont's - challenges the overlap between the two notions
2 hrs
agree  Anne Girardeau
7 hrs
agree  Aude Sylvain: agree - the 2 notions can be seen as identical (almost synonyms), or side-by-side (1 concept but clearly 2 sides). Dumont denies the fact that these 2 notions overlap or even partially overlap.
11 hrs
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
the coincidence between these two notions


Explanation:
That is their agreement at various levels.

Euqinimod (X)
Local time: 22:14
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Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 11
Notes to answerer
Asker: many thanks Euqinimod! This also seems feasible

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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
the converging or the common domain of these two notions


Explanation:
IMO

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Note added at 3 days8 hrs (2008-06-07 18:44:41 GMT) Post-grading
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You are quite welcome Carol.

Drmanu49
France
Local time: 22:14
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 8
Notes to answerer
Asker: thanks Drmanu for such a speedy response! But I was hoping for a brief explanation, if such a thing exists!

Asker: thanks Drmanu! the meaning is here, but I didn't want to use Convergence twice.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  ormiston: I think convergence is it in a nutshell but the term appears later
2 days 6 hrs
  -> Thank you.
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