delphinière

English translation: overhang stemhead

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French term or phrase:delphinière
English translation:overhang stemhead
Entered by: Michael GREEN

13:22 Mar 18, 2008
French to English translations [PRO]
Ships, Sailing, Maritime / Small sailing yacht
French term or phrase: delphinière
Insurance claim for collision damage to the fore of the vessel:

Balcon arraché du bout dehors (delphinière)

(Not too sure of the construction of this phrase either, or what it means: "ripped out of its fixing"?)

Googling "delphinière" brings up some photos.
Robin Hardy-King
Local time: 12:09
overhang stemhead (not very elegant, but that's the term).
Explanation:
The "delphinière" is so-called because it looks (somewhat) lie a dolphin's nose ..
It is just an extended anchor bracket : see Poncin Yachts site (and many others).
It may serve as a bowsprit, but that is not its primary function.

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Finger trouble - to complete my quote above :
"Harmony 42 - a clever overhand stemhead, .... "
"Harmony 42 ... une delphinière astucieuse ..."

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-03-18 14:43:09 GMT)
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That quote should read ""Harmony 42 ... a clever overhanG stemhead .."
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Michael GREEN
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2overhang stemhead (not very elegant, but that's the term).
Michael GREEN
4bowsprit
Lia Fail (X)
3 +1bow pulpit
Graham macLachlan
3bowsprit
Colin Rowe


Discussion entries: 9





  

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12 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
bowsprit


Explanation:
Images for both seem to coincide.


2008 ADAGIO YACHTS 48 RIVER Trawler Boat For Sale
Delphinière, Bugspriet, Bowsprit. Pare brise extérieur fixe, Feste Windschutzscheibe, Permanent wind screen out-side. Vitrage dans cadres alu anodisés ...
uk.yachtworld.com/boats/1776059/0 - 42k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
Sailing Magazine : Boat Test
An interesting and certainly very noticeable feature is the delphinière, or “dolphin nose,” a kind of bowsprit-looking deck extension that is vaguely ...
www.sailingonline.com/boattest_gibsea33.html - 29k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

An interesting and certainly very noticeable feature is the delphinière, or “dolphin nose,” a kind of bowsprit-looking deck extension that is vaguely reminiscent of the bowsprits found on some of France’s beloved Open 60 solo racing boats.

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See link above, which also refers to Graham's PULPIT: Up on the bow, behind the dolphin nose, the anchor well contained a Delta Fastset 35-pound anchor from Simpson Lawrence, which was both launched and retrieved with the help of a sturdy, stainless steel anchor roller. For sailors worried about their manicures or hernias, an electric anchor windless is an option, but certainly not crucial, especially since the unusual bow and open-ended bow pulpit afford much more working space than you would usually find in a boat this size. Sometimes a design feature won’t look like much on paper, but really does make a dramatic difference in terms of the real world. This is definitely one such feature.

See previous Q, which says PULPIT:

http://chi.proz.com/kudoz/870528

However, there's a lot of pulpits associated with railings, so maybe the pulpit is the rail part and the bowspit is the structure that has been shaped in the boat body.

However, it seem that the accident report is saying that the pulpit (railings) were torn out of the structure ....

So I'm tending to agree with Graham.

Lia Fail (X)
Spain
Local time: 13:09
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Colin Rowe: I see you found the same links as me, but got there quicker!
13 mins

neutral  Graham macLachlan: tradtionally the bowsprit is a wooden boom to which the forestays of the mast are fixed, but language does evolve...
23 mins

neutral  Tony M: Not in the context as given.
1 hr

disagree  Michael GREEN: It is not a bowsprit - not the same function / and the "pulpit", Lia, is the "balcon avant' - the "balcon arrière" is the "pushpit".
1 hr
  -> Please see my later comments, where I acknowledge that I tend to agree with Graham
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23 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
bowsprit


Explanation:
The following Google hits suggest that the "delphinière" either is a "bowsprit" or at least resembles one.

Example sentence(s):
  • An interesting and certainly very noticeable feature is the delphinière, or “dolphin nose,” a kind of bowsprit-looking deck extension that is vaguely ...
  • Delphinière Bugspriet Bowsprit

    Reference: http://www.sailingonline.com/boattest_gibsea33.html
    Reference: http://uk.yachtworld.com/boats/1776059/0
Colin Rowe
Germany
Local time: 13:09
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Tony M: Not in the context as given.
50 mins
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
overhang stemhead (not very elegant, but that's the term).


Explanation:
The "delphinière" is so-called because it looks (somewhat) lie a dolphin's nose ..
It is just an extended anchor bracket : see Poncin Yachts site (and many others).
It may serve as a bowsprit, but that is not its primary function.

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-03-18 14:36:56 GMT)
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Finger trouble - to complete my quote above :
"Harmony 42 - a clever overhand stemhead, .... "
"Harmony 42 ... une delphinière astucieuse ..."

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-03-18 14:43:09 GMT)
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That quote should read ""Harmony 42 ... a clever overhanG stemhead .."

Example sentence(s):
  • Harmony 42

    Reference: http://www.harmony-yachts.com/public/harmony/html/toolkit/fl...
Michael GREEN
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Local time: 13:09
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tony M: Yes, exactly that! I've never actually found if an equivalent 'official' term exists in EN/ Not sure if it's ONLY FR, Michael: have come across a variant of it on US fishing craft as well
2 mins
  -> Thanks Tony - yes, none of my Uk boating friends have a term for it ... it's a French invention :)

neutral  Graham macLachlan: yes, I agree with some of your comments but your reference is lousy :-)//it's a translation of a French website, how about a UKGhit?//ha ha!
7 mins
  -> I don't like Harmony Yachts either Graham (all ply and plastic) but you only see "delphinières" on boats designed for weekend sailors, anyway :) And what's lousy about them as a reference, my friend ?! / No UK ghits because no Uk yachtbuilders fit them ;)

neutral  Lia Fail (X): I'm failing to find convincing evidence, in either web contexts or images...., so ...could you provide some?
24 mins
  -> Go to the link I gave, open "Harmony 42 / outside / extérieure" and look at the photos :)

agree  Gina W
41 days
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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
bow pulpit


Explanation:
it sounds to me like the little platform at the front of motor cruisers, synonym of "balcon avant"?

Boat Specifications : by David Pascoe at Dockside Reports
Since the pulpit does not represent useable space on the boat, the proper length to use is the length exclusive of the pulpit, or LOD, though that number is ...
www.docksidereports.com/boat_specifications.htm

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the dolphin connection: you stand at the bows watching the dolphins play around the stem of boat

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I don't there are two words in English, this link is very clear as to what a bow pulpit can be (ie the platform or the railings or both):

Woodworking for Watercraft - Teak or Mahogany Bow Pulpits / Bow ...Bow Pulpits of Teak or Mahogany are individually designed to fit your watercraft. We can use a pulpit design, fabricated in Fiberglass, as a model, ...
www.woodworkingforwatercraft.com/pulpit.html


Graham macLachlan
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Bourth (X): Yup: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/870528
19 mins

neutral  Michael GREEN: Actually Graham, it usually refers to the extended bow feature on, eg, Poncin yachts, used to keep the anchor clear of the cutwater, and it is NOT the pulpit. / Kudoz is wrong again, Bourth ;)
59 mins
  -> this is a good link in my defence: www.woodworkingforwatercraft.com/pulpit.html

neutral  Tony M: No, it clearly says that the 'bow pulpit' has been ripped off of this feature, so it can't be the same thing / No question of 'defence', but the source text already uses 'bow pulpit' [= the rail], so in this context it just couldn't work
1 hr
  -> this is a good link in my defence: www.woodworkingforwatercraft.com/pulpit.html//railings and platform of the bow pulpit perhaps
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