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14:26 Mar 4, 2008 |
French to English translations [PRO] Ships, Sailing, Maritime | |||||||
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5 | (sailing) master |
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5 -1 | pilot |
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(sailing) master Explanation: On these ships they had somone below the captain who was responsible for actually sailing the ship, as far as I know this position doesn't exist now. It is nothing to do with our modern pilots who join a ship just prior to entering a river or a harbour. The Falconer dictionary is a good ref as it was published in those great days of sail, he also gives some synonyms howwever I am familiar with "sailing master". Such was the esteem in which La Perouse was held that, ... and his sailing-master evidently misunderstood his instructions to sail north to anchor in ... www.justpacific.com/tasmania/huon/gardens.html William Falconer's Dictionary of the Marine, French : P, page 1698 ... . PILON, or petit ecore, a shore which is steep to, and but little raised above the sea. PILOTAGE, the navigating, conducting or steering of a ship. PILOTE, a sea pilot, or the conductor of a ship's course by the art of navigation; also the master of a ship. See HAUTURIER. PILOTE côtier, or PILOTE de ... http://southseas.nla.gov.au/refs/falc/1698.html 07/03/04, 7975 bytes was sailing master of the First Fleet vessel HMS Supply. .... Journal of Jean-Francois de Galaup de la Perouse 1785-1788 La Perouse. Hakluyt Society ... www.daltons.com.au/Daltons/aust.cfm Master b. Hist. A naval officer (ranking next below a lieutenant) responsible for the navigation and sailing of a warship OED -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 48 mins (2008-03-04 15:15:00 GMT) Post-grading -------------------------------------------------- the modern equivalent would be a mixture of a ship's captain and a ship's navigator... back then a master was a member of the crew who take care of sailing and nagivating the ship leaving his superior free to do other things, especially but not exclusively (I've been translating too many contracts!) during a battle. A modern pilot is someone who does not belong to the ship's company but comes aboard at specific moments, usually required by harbour authorities before they allow a ship to enter. The term is reflected in the title "master and commander" which meant the person not only commanded the ship's company but was also its sailing master... -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 49 mins (2008-03-04 15:16:05 GMT) Post-grading -------------------------------------------------- excuse my grammar, my excuse is that I'm doing my accounts :-( |
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pilot Explanation: An experienced person charged with the ship's course near the coasts, into roads, rivers, etc. and through all intricate channels, in his own district. The Sailor's Word Book -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 16 mins (2008-03-04 14:43:34 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- Further information: Pilote, s. m. (pilot) - Marin chargé de conduire les navires dans des parages déterminés, en particulier à l'entrée et à la sortie des ports. Les pilotes sont commissonnés par l'Etat et leur emploi est obligatoire pour les navires à voiles de plus de 100 tonneaux (jauge de doaune) et les vapeurs de plus de 150 tonneaux. Le pilote est à bord le conseiller du capitaine, mais il ne peut pas prendre le commandement et le capitaine a le droit de passer outre aux avis du pilote, à ses risques et périls. Dictionnaire de Marine - G. Soé, J. Dupont, O. Roussin On trouve également bateau pilote (pilot boat) -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 44 mins (2008-03-04 15:11:32 GMT) Post-grading -------------------------------------------------- OK - seeing as Graham has sown doubt in my mind, I decided to go check my faithful 1921 dictionary of sea terms by W. Pirrie (a wee gem, if I might say) and it's still pilot. Here are the entries under "pilote" - pilot pilote bateau - pilot boat pilote côtier - coasting pilot pilote hauturier - deep-sea pilot pilote de rivière - river pilot pilote major - pilot master pilote de port - harbour pilot etc. -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 50 mins (2008-03-04 15:16:58 GMT) Post-grading -------------------------------------------------- OED - Pilot One who steers or directs the course of a ship, a steersman, helmsman ; spec. a person duly qualified to steer ships into and out of a harbour or wherever navigation requires local knowledge. 1530 Pylotte tha geverneth a shippe 1549 When any shippe cometh in, she taketh fyrst pilottes to sounde the waie. etc. I can't see why it wouldn't be used here. |
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