vaches laitières vs. vaches allaitantes

English translation: dairy cows vs. suckler cows

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French term or phrase:vaches laitières vs. vaches allaitantes
English translation:dairy cows vs. suckler cows
Entered by: liz askew

16:39 Mar 1, 2008
French to English translations [PRO]
Livestock / Animal Husbandry / book on farm animals
French term or phrase: vaches laitières vs. vaches allaitantes
Book on farm animals has separate chapters on:
"Les races de vaches laitières", and
"Les races de vaches allaitantes".
I've found "dairy cows" and "milch cows", respectively, but can't find a definition that truly differentiates the two groups. Both say "cows bred for milk" - so how am I to give a meaningful title to the two chapters or categories?
All suggestions gratefully received.
Jennifer Forbes
Local time: 22:13
dairy cows vs. suckler cows
Explanation:
Animal Research
Key words: dairy cows / grazing management / supplementation / milk production Mots clés : vaches laitières / pâturage / complémentation / production ...
www.edpsciences.org/10.1051/animres:2003030 - Similar pages
M

[PDF]
Condition scoring of beef suckler cows and heifers
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Suckler cows have the ability to lay down fat when feed is .... With spring and summer calving suckler cows in the hill/uplands ...
www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welfare/farmed/cattle/booklets/pb6... - Similar pages
Stabiliser the ideal suckler cow
The introduction of the composite beef breed, the Stabiliser, has led to a home-bred replacement policy with the suckler herd on the in-hand farming ...
www.jennifermackenzie.co.uk/2005/07/stabiliser.html - 14k - Cached - Similar pages
The Suckler Cow Premium Scheme
Premium is paid on suckler cows and heifers (over eight months old), forming part of a regular breeding herd used for rearing calves for meat. ...
www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2003/09/18111 - 12k - Cached - Similar pages


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Animal Research
Key words: suckler beef / grass / energy / nitrogen / intake / alkane Mots clés : vaches allaitantes / herbe / énergie / azote / ingestion / alcane ...
www.edpsciences.org/10.1051/animres:2001109 - Similar pages
006. Animal and economic performances for large beef suckler ...
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... Fonctionnement des grands troupeaux de vaches allaitantes ... Animal and economic performances for large beef suckler cattle herds : the case of the ...
www.inst-elevage.asso.fr/html1/spip.php?id_article=6306&id_... - 43k - Cached - Similar pages
EUR-Lex - Simple search
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The aid may be granted for no more than that number of suckler cows. Une aide peut également être octroyée aux producteurs détenant des vaches allaitantes ...
eur-lex.europa.eu/Notice.do?mode=dbl&lang=en&ihmlang=en&lng1=en,fr&lng2=bg,da,de,el,en,es... - 61k - Cached - Similar pages

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Thank you!

and the evidence would indicate this in any case ;)
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liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:13
Grading comment
Thank you, Liz. And thanks to all who contributed.
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Summary of answers provided
3 +5dairy cows vs. suckler cows
liz askew
4milch cow vs foster cow
Bourth (X)
4 -1dairy cattle as opposed to breeding stock
Bashiqa
2dairy cows, cows in milking
joobie


Discussion entries: 1





  

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54 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
milch cow vs foster cow


Explanation:
I'd say a milch cow and a foster cow are both kinds of dairy cow, i.e. cows raised to produce milk rather than meat. While the foster cow is used to raise calves of other cows, a milch cow is used to produce milk for human consumption. Another type of dairy cow might be the good breeder that is used to produce calves (fed by foster cows) on short cycles.

There seems to be some argument about the precise meaning of "suckler cow", so I would avoid it.

SUCKLER COW A cow that is allowed to rear ITS OWN calf before being used for beef production rather than for milk production
NURSING COW, NURSE COW SUCKLER COW
SUCKLER COW
DAIRY COW Cows kept for producing milk OR for rearing calves for a dairy herd.
http://www.ramiran.net/DOC/Glossary2003.pdf

The following site says that "nurse cows" are used to feed calves OTHER THAN THEIR OWN. Presumably this means the real mothers, which presumably will be breeding cows, can calve again sooner.
http://www.lifestyleblock.co.nz/articles/cattle/09_nurse_cow...

In which case "foster cow" might actually be a better term. For instance, see www.side.org.nz/IM_Custom/ContentStore/Assets/6/82/670ea810...

They all deal with the effects of raising dairy calves on foster cows or their ... Material and methods FOSTER COWS, ie cows taking care of ALIEN CALVES, ...
bsas.org.uk/downloads/mexico/039.pdf


Bourth (X)
Local time: 23:13
Does not meet criteria
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 94
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you, as always, Bourth. The two chapters don't make a very clear distinction - hence my puzzlement. They do, however, suggest that the "vaches allaitantes" are used for both milk and beef, so probably in this context "suckler cows" is best. I'm still pondering. As this is a whole book, it's not desperately urgent, for once.

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21 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
dairy cattle as opposed to breeding stock


Explanation:
one produces milk for consumption and the others have calves at foot

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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-03-01 18:50:25 GMT)
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Suckling cows is perfectly ok. Breeding stock is a more general term. References can easily be obtained from my neighbors who have both.

Bashiqa
France
Local time: 23:13
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Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 22
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you, Bashiqa.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  liz askew: Seriously, why don't you supply some references?? And you put a level 4!?
12 mins

disagree  Cetacea: Both "cattle" and "stock" include males as well, while the source text specifically refers to females. Moreover, not all cows that are part of breeding stock are "allaitantes" or suckling.
1 day 1 hr
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6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +5
dairy cows vs. suckler cows


Explanation:
Animal Research
Key words: dairy cows / grazing management / supplementation / milk production Mots clés : vaches laitières / pâturage / complémentation / production ...
www.edpsciences.org/10.1051/animres:2003030 - Similar pages
M

[PDF]
Condition scoring of beef suckler cows and heifers
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Suckler cows have the ability to lay down fat when feed is .... With spring and summer calving suckler cows in the hill/uplands ...
www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welfare/farmed/cattle/booklets/pb6... - Similar pages
Stabiliser the ideal suckler cow
The introduction of the composite beef breed, the Stabiliser, has led to a home-bred replacement policy with the suckler herd on the in-hand farming ...
www.jennifermackenzie.co.uk/2005/07/stabiliser.html - 14k - Cached - Similar pages
The Suckler Cow Premium Scheme
Premium is paid on suckler cows and heifers (over eight months old), forming part of a regular breeding herd used for rearing calves for meat. ...
www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2003/09/18111 - 12k - Cached - Similar pages


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Note added at 6 mins (2008-03-01 16:46:11 GMT)
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Animal Research
Key words: suckler beef / grass / energy / nitrogen / intake / alkane Mots clés : vaches allaitantes / herbe / énergie / azote / ingestion / alcane ...
www.edpsciences.org/10.1051/animres:2001109 - Similar pages
006. Animal and economic performances for large beef suckler ...
- [ Translate this page ]
... Fonctionnement des grands troupeaux de vaches allaitantes ... Animal and economic performances for large beef suckler cattle herds : the case of the ...
www.inst-elevage.asso.fr/html1/spip.php?id_article=6306&id_... - 43k - Cached - Similar pages
EUR-Lex - Simple search
- [ Translate this page ]
The aid may be granted for no more than that number of suckler cows. Une aide peut également être octroyée aux producteurs détenant des vaches allaitantes ...
eur-lex.europa.eu/Notice.do?mode=dbl&lang=en&ihmlang=en&lng1=en,fr&lng2=bg,da,de,el,en,es... - 61k - Cached - Similar pages

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Note added at 17 hrs (2008-03-02 09:47:46 GMT)
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Thank you!

and the evidence would indicate this in any case ;)

liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:13
Does not meet criteria
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 24
Grading comment
Thank you, Liz. And thanks to all who contributed.
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you, Liz. I think your distinction sounds right in the context of these two chapters.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  NancyLynn: also: suckling cows. Mothers vs. production
4 mins
  -> Thank you!

agree  Jennifer Levey: Yes, both provide milk - but in the context of different farming objectives (milk/cheese/etc vs. meat).
12 mins
  -> Thank you!

agree  Mary Carroll Richer LaFlèche
17 hrs
  -> Merci!

agree  Cetacea
1 day 2 hrs
  -> Thank you very much!

agree  AgriPlume
2 days 1 hr
  -> Thank you for your support!
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1 day 51 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
dairy cows, cows in milking


Explanation:
I know that these would be the normal translated terms......but I don't understand why it refers to "une race de vache allaitantes", it sounds a bit strange. I have never heard this term.

joobie
France
Local time: 23:13
Meets criteria
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you, Joobie.

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