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seguridad redundante

English translation: safety redundancy

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Spanish term or phrase:seguridad redundante
English translation:safety redundancy
Entered by: William Pairman

16:23 Aug 20, 2007
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Energy / Power Generation
Spanish term or phrase: seguridad redundante
Talking about the various roles in a power plant

- Aunque puedan coincidir en una misma persona dos o más figuras de las definidas en este apartado 4.2., se tratará de mantener, siempre que sea posible, la separación de funciones entre el Jefe de Descargo (o el Agente de Consignación que actúa en la entrega de la Zona de Trabajo) y el Jefe de Trabajo, lo que conlleva una seguridad redundante en todo el proceso.

Seems to contradict itself - keep these 2 positions separate but the added safety is redundant. Can anyone read this in another way?
William Pairman
Spain
Local time: 12:25
redundant safety
Explanation:
It is fine to talk about safety redundancy or redundant safety features and mechanisms. It's not a contradiction - it's saying keep the jobs separated so that if one person makes a mistake, there's still a chance the other person will take notice and prevent an accident.

"SUBJECT: Separation of Redundant Safety-Critical Circuits ... Redundant safety-critical circuits are to be routed in separate cable bundles via different ..."
arioch.gsfc.nasa.gov/302/safety/course/letters/e1290115.htm

"safety redundancy system capable of preventing a collision in the event of ... system provides a level of safety redundancy in the event the engineer is ..."
www.ntsb.gov/recs/letters/2001/R01_21.pdf - Similar pages
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"Indian Point Energy Center: SafetySafety Redundancy. Indian Point Energy Center was designed with multiple safety systems ... Safety Redundancy. Regulatory Oversight. A Business Imperative ..."
www.safesecurevital.org/safety/index.html


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Note added at 10 mins (2007-08-20 16:34:33 GMT)
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"..., lo que conlleva una seguridad redundante en todo el proceso."
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"which provides for redundant safety throughout the process."
Selected response from:

jack_speak
Local time: 06:25
Grading comment
As dcspanish suggested, I went with safety redundancy - many many thanks to all, excellent suggestions!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +3redundant safety
jack_speak
4 +2shared safety responsibility
Lydia De Jorge
4 +1security redundancy
Patricia Rosas
5backup redundancy
Margarita Palatnik (X)
5redundant security (system)
liz askew
4which provides a self-checking safety function/an additional layer of safety throughout the process
Bubo Coroman (X)


Discussion entries: 3





  

Answers


3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
shared safety responsibility


Explanation:
different jobs but share responsibility for safety

Lydia De Jorge
United States
Local time: 05:25
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 64

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Salloz: Exacto. No se usa redundante en sentido negativo. En seguridad industrial, la redundancia es muy positiva (por ejemplo, doble dispositivo contra caídas: si falla uno, te salva el otro).
4 mins
  -> my exact thoughts! gracias Salloz!
agree  Victoria Frazier
59 mins
  -> gracias Victoria!
disagree  liz askew: It is to do with "security" rather than "safety".
2 hrs
  -> thanks for your opinion.
agree  Bubo Coroman (X): Asker has confirmed the subject is safety (not security as Liz suggests)
5 hrs
  -> gracias por el apoyo Deborah!
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
redundant safety


Explanation:
It is fine to talk about safety redundancy or redundant safety features and mechanisms. It's not a contradiction - it's saying keep the jobs separated so that if one person makes a mistake, there's still a chance the other person will take notice and prevent an accident.

"SUBJECT: Separation of Redundant Safety-Critical Circuits ... Redundant safety-critical circuits are to be routed in separate cable bundles via different ..."
arioch.gsfc.nasa.gov/302/safety/course/letters/e1290115.htm

"safety redundancy system capable of preventing a collision in the event of ... system provides a level of safety redundancy in the event the engineer is ..."
www.ntsb.gov/recs/letters/2001/R01_21.pdf - Similar pages
[ More results from www.ntsb.gov ]

"Indian Point Energy Center: SafetySafety Redundancy. Indian Point Energy Center was designed with multiple safety systems ... Safety Redundancy. Regulatory Oversight. A Business Imperative ..."
www.safesecurevital.org/safety/index.html


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Note added at 10 mins (2007-08-20 16:34:33 GMT)
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"..., lo que conlleva una seguridad redundante en todo el proceso."
---

"which provides for redundant safety throughout the process."

jack_speak
Local time: 06:25
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 52
Grading comment
As dcspanish suggested, I went with safety redundancy - many many thanks to all, excellent suggestions!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  dcspanish: Yes, though I would go with "safety redundancy."
2 hrs
  -> You're probablt right, that one sounds better come to think of it. Thanks!
agree  liz askew: In that case "safety" as I don't agree with Lydia's version, particularly as she doesn't provide ANY references.
3 hrs
  -> Thanks, Liz.
agree  Arthur Allmendinger
16 hrs
  -> Thanks, Arthur.
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16 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
security redundancy


Explanation:
This phrase is widely used:
SECURITY REDUNDANCY
Security personnel staff the building 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. The facility is under constant surveillance.
...
http://www.backup.enguard.com/enguardsite/datacenter.htm

Module 2: Security Engineering Concepts
Terminal Objective
Explain security concepts as they relate to design and prevention of terrorism/WMD attacks.
Enabling Objectives
• Describe the difference between a “design basis threat” and an “all hazards” approach in
building design
• Define Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design (CPTED)
• Define Protection in Depth
• Define the phrase “security redundancy”
http://www.scd.state.hi.us/documents/Nov5-ETRASyllabus_000.p...

Patricia Rosas
United States
Local time: 03:25
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 28

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Salloz
1 min
  -> thank you, Salloz (and thx too for the help with my own question--it's much appreciated!)
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
which provides a self-checking safety function/an additional layer of safety throughout the process


Explanation:
it means that safety is checked from two points of view - what dangers one might miss by looking from the Jefe de Descargo's point of view, one will pick up by looking from the Jefe de Trabajo's viewpoint, and vice versa.

Bubo Coroman (X)
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 24
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
backup redundancy


Explanation:
Hot Backup Redundancy Software - Brief Article - Product ...
Hot Backup Redundancy Software - Brief Article - Product Announcement from Modern Machine Shop in Array provided free by LookSmart Find Articles.
findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3101/is_5_73/ai_66218984 - 24k -

Hard drive backup / redundancy question - Windows Home Server
Windows Home Server Software. Hard drive backup / redundancy question Thread Starter: Travis Misterek Started: 13 Aug 2007 5:31 PM UTC Replies: 1 ...
forums.microsoft.com/WindowsHomeServer/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1999676&SiteID=50 -

Motor Technology - tandem encoders, safety backup, redundancy ...
download PDF (in German), Motor Technology - Tandem / Special Encoders. request details. view printer friendly page. Tandem encoder ...
www.motec.co.uk/encoders_lb-tandem.htm -

Boeing 777 loses vital flight air data, SAARU, ADIRU, Australian ...
It appears that there might have been some failure of the backup redundancy system too. But, we don't know for sure at this time. ...
www.airlinesafety.com/faq/777DataFailure.htm -

Margarita Palatnik (X)
Local time: 07:25
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 6
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
redundant security (system)


Explanation:
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control del programa de seguridad redundante. (o sea, ejecutado con dos procesadores) adapta. óptimamente los movimientos de la plataforma ...
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SAI SERIE DUAL POWER: LA POTENCIA DE LA RAZÓN
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Para instalaciones aumentadas en seguridad (redundante). Comunicación con el mundo exterior:. q. Interfaces serie RS-232 y RS-485, y. AS-400 incluidos. ...
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Este sistema de doble seguridad redundante garantiza una óptima seguridad en todo momento, asegurando que el tanque de hidrógeno no estalle como resultado ...
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redundant security (system)


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Note added at 3 hrs (2007-08-20 20:01:58 GMT)
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You did ask if anybody could read this another way, and I have and I think my refs. are OK.

liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:25
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 129
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