be in the cause

Indonesian translation: ditanggung pihak yang kalah

02:40 May 21, 2007
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English term or phrase: be in the cause
Fellow translators, the above idiom looks simple at a glance but in fact, I am in total eclipse when it appears in the following context:

"the court orders among other things that: ...(3) the costs of this application be in the cause."

So please gimme a light.

TIA
Indra Sofyar
Indonesia
Local time: 22:17
Indonesian translation:ditanggung pihak yang kalah
Explanation:
be in the cause = ditanggung pihak yang kalah

costs be in the cause = biaya perkara ditanggung pihak yang kalah

Ini kutipan dan referensinya:
1. costs in the cause. This means that the costs of the interlocutory application will be met by the party who ultimately loses the trial.

2. Pre-trial applications generally follow a rule where costs go to the successful party "in the cause". In other words, to get your costs of a pre-trial application, you generally have to win both the application and the underlying law suit.
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Hipyan Nopri
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Summary of answers provided
5 +3ditanggung pihak yang kalah
Hipyan Nopri
5menjadi bagian dari sebab
Harry Hermawan
4dibayarkan kepada pihak yang akhirnya memenangkan perkara
Ian Forbes
4dibebankan kepada orang yang menyebabkan timbulnya perkara
Regi2006
3sesuatu yang harus diselesaikan di muka pengadilan.
Hikmat Gumilar


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dibayarkan kepada pihak yang akhirnya memenangkan perkara


Explanation:
‘costs’ mencakup berbagai biaya yaitu biaya pengacara, biaya perkara, biaya mendatangkan saksi dsb. Apabila suatu perkara melewati beberapa tahap (gugatan awal, banding dan kasasi) maka hakim dapat menetapkan bahwa “the costs (will) be in the cause” yaitu bahwa biaya-biaya yang dikeluarkan dalam membela atau menuntut perkara tersebut harus dibayarkan kepada pihak yang akhirnya menang.


    Reference: http://www.albertacourts.ab.ca/cs/taxoffice/CBP-Intro.pdf
Ian Forbes
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sesuatu yang harus diselesaikan di muka pengadilan.


Explanation:
a matter to be resolved in a court of law.
dari kamus oxford.


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Note added at 33 menit (2007-05-21 03:13:53 GMT)
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Aa Indra,
Ini saya ambil dari Lectric Law Library:


Civ. Law. This word has two meanings. 1. It signifies the delivery of the thing, or the accomplishment of the act which is the object of a convention. 2. It is the consideration or motive for making a contract. An obligation without a cause, or with a false or unlawful cause, has no effect; but an engagement is not the less valid, though the cause be not expressed. The cause is illicit, when it is forbidden by law, when it is contra bones mores, or public order.

Torts, Crim. That which produces an effect.

In considering a contract, an injury, or a crime the law for many purposes looks to the immediate and not to any remote cause. If the cause be lawful, the party will be justified; if unlawful, he will be condemned. The following is an example in criminal law of an immediate and remote cause. If Peter, of malice prepense, should discharge a pistol at Paul, and miss him, and then cast away the pistol and fly and, being pursued by Paul, he turn round, and kill him with a dagger, the law considers the first as the impulsive cause and Peter would be guilty of murder. But if Peter, with his dagger drawn had fallen down, and Paul in his haste had fallen upon it and killed himself, the cause of Paul's death would have been too remote to charge Peter as the murderer.

In cases of insurance, the general rule is that the immediate and not the remote cause of the loss is to be considered; causa proximo non remota spedatur. This rule may, in some cases, apply to carriers.

For the breach of contracts, the contractor is liable for the immediate effects of such breach, but not for any remote cause, as the failure of a party who was to receive money and did not receive it, in consequence of which he was compelled to stop payment.

Pleading. The reason; the motive.

In a replication de injuria, for example, the plaintiff alleges that the defendant of his own wrong, and without the cause by him in his plea alleged, did, etc. The word cause here means without the matter of excuse alleged, and though in the singular number, it puts in issue all the facts in the plea, which constitute but one cause.

Practice. A contested question before a court of justice; it is a Suit or action. Causes are civil or criminal.


Hikmat Gumilar
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dibebankan kepada orang yang menyebabkan timbulnya perkara


Explanation:
It means ... the payment due in this circumstance lies within the cause of that circumstance...

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Note added at 1 hr (2007-05-21 03:44:25 GMT)
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Maaf .. orang diganti pihak ...

Example sentence(s):
  • dibebankan kepada pihak yang menimbulkan perkara
Regi2006
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ditanggung pihak yang kalah


Explanation:
be in the cause = ditanggung pihak yang kalah

costs be in the cause = biaya perkara ditanggung pihak yang kalah

Ini kutipan dan referensinya:
1. costs in the cause. This means that the costs of the interlocutory application will be met by the party who ultimately loses the trial.

2. Pre-trial applications generally follow a rule where costs go to the successful party "in the cause". In other words, to get your costs of a pre-trial application, you generally have to win both the application and the underlying law suit.


    Reference: http://www.answers.com/topic/law-of-costs
    Reference: http://pithandsubstance.blogspot.com/2006/08/why-give-costs-...
Hipyan Nopri
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Thanks fellas. All your contributions are appreciated.

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agree  Regi2006
19 mins
  -> Terima kasih, Regi.

agree  ErichEko ⟹⭐: "the cause" = jadi sebab = bikin perkara = bikin salah. Yang bikin salah adalah yang kalah, itu otomatislah. :)
1 hr
  -> Tengkiu, Rich. Teruskan perjuangan.:)

agree  Hadiyono Jaqin
6 hrs
  -> Terima kasih, mas Hadi.
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menjadi bagian dari sebab


Explanation:
PROXIMATE/LEGAL CAUSE (OF INJURY/DAMAGE)= sebab (langsung)









    Reference: http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p105.htm
    Reference: http://legalref.judiciary.gov.hk/lrs/common/ju/ju_body.jsp?D...
Harry Hermawan
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