vieux gréement

English translation: traditional boats

12:26 Feb 20, 2007
French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Ships, Sailing, Maritime
French term or phrase: vieux gréement
"Un événement incontournable dans le calendrier des régates de vieux gréements de l'Atlantique."

If "gréement" is rigging, could this translate as "sailboats"? And why "old"?

Many thanks in advance!
Sandra Petch
Local time: 03:22
English translation:traditional boats
Explanation:
let's not get too technical...

Traditional Boats & Tall Ships - The Magazine for lovers of Sail ...Tall Ships and Traditional Boats - The Site for all lovers of Sailing!
www.tallship.co.uk

Scottish Traditional Boat Festival 2006An annual weekend celebration of traditional boats and boat-building, with an accompanying programme of visual and performing arts; includes details for ...
www.thebpl.co.uk/stbf2006/

Thames Traditional Boat RallyThames Traditional Boat Rally home page, all the information you could want on this famous festival concerning this famous annual event, plus many great ...
www.tradboatrally.com

Calendar of Classic Boat Festivals and Traditional Boat Races at ...The festival is only open to traditional boats and ships of all sizes and ... Maritime Festival inviting traditional and classic boats for a nautical and ...
www.tradboat2.co.uk/calendar/calendar.htm



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the 'vieux gréements de l'Atlantique' are undoubtedly the traditionally rigged (gaff, lug, gunter, etc.) boats of the Atlantic seaboard and not transatlantic racing yachts as jacqueb seems to be saying.

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Note added at 1 hr (2007-02-20 13:51:46 GMT)
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'old' in 'vieux gréement' generally refers to the type of rigging, not its age funnily enough, boats that could be considered as workboats and as such not yachts... however the lancel classic is ALL about yachting so maybe they want to differentiate between old and modern yachts, in that case I would use the term "classic boats" or if I was really sure, "classic yachts"
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Graham macLachlan
Local time: 03:22
Grading comment
"Classic boats" it is... rather than yachts as the keelboats wouldn't qualify as yachts (unless I'm mistaken). Thanks to everyone for helping out in an emergency, and to mactrad and Tony in particular for their heroic answers!
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Summary of answers provided
5 +3traditional boats
Graham macLachlan
3 +4old sailing ships
cjohnstone
4 +3traditional sailing craft
Tony M
4 +1old gaffers
David Goward


Discussion entries: 13





  

Answers


3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +4
vieux gréement (URGENT THANKS!)
old sailing ships


Explanation:
traditional sailing ships
tall ships as well

cjohnstone
France
Local time: 03:22
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tony M: Yes, but the terms ia applied to quite ordinary smaller boats, so not JUST "ships"
10 mins

agree  Assimina Vavoula
19 mins

neutral  Graham macLachlan: indeed, but what about replicas? google le renard, la granvillaise, le corentin...
40 mins

agree  jacqueb: Yes, but Tony, we're talking trans-Atlantic Regatas here, not Sunfish races :). I would go for something like 'classic yatchs'.
42 mins

agree  writeaway
1 hr
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32 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
vieux gréement (URGENT THANKS!)
old gaffers


Explanation:
Nothing to do with former hierarchical superiors of retirement age, I assure you ;-)

See http://www.oldgaffersassociation.org/_sgg/f10000.htm


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Note added at 1 hr (2007-02-20 13:30:12 GMT)
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Old Gaffers
Association Vieux Gréements de France
Président : Pierre JAFFÉ
Tour de la Grand Porte
35400 Saint-Malo
Tél :

Site Internet :www.old-gaffers.com

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Note added at 1 hr (2007-02-20 13:31:30 GMT)
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www.old-gaffers.com

David Goward
France
Local time: 03:22
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 19

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Graham macLachlan: yes but it's too restrictive, what about square, lugger and gunter rigs?// but gaffer refers to 'gaff rig'...
10 mins
  -> As far as I'm aware, and in spite of the name, I don't think Old Gaffers' festivals are restricted to gaff-rigged boats - see Miranda's link.

neutral  Tony M: With Mactrad — too restrictive... // Yes, but I think they still tend to refer mainly to smaller-scale boats?
18 mins
  -> As far as I'm aware, and in spite of the name, I don't think Old Gaffers' festivals are restricted to gaff-rigged boats - see Miranda's link.

agree  Miranda Joubioux (X): http://www.wightlink.co.uk/events/oldgaffers/index.htm
20 mins
  -> Thanks again, Miranda!
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16 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
vieux gréement
traditional sailing craft


Explanation:
Lots of these are held round the coast of France, and the trouble is, they includes ships and boats of all shapes and sizes, which is why "craft" may be the safest solution!

"gréement" can be rigging, yes; but it is also used by extension to mean "boat"; about the only thing one can say is that most of them WILL be "sailing" boats (though there are always a few exceptions!)

I think "traditional sailing craft" conveys the idea that this can be anything from a Thames barge to a tea clipper, via lobster smacks, Norfolk wherries and Dutch barges...

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Note added at 58 mins (2007-02-20 13:25:13 GMT)
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I guess if it is too long as mactrad suggests, simply leaving out the "sailing" to make it just "traditional craft" would be OK as an alternative.

I don't know if this is *necessarily* a Transatlantic event? I know some of them certainly aren't, but it really does depend on what specific event is being referred to — the term "vieux gréement" is used quite a lot, to cover a whole spectrum of boats and events.

Yet another reason why I feel "craft" is the ideal word to use here!

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Note added at 1 hr (2007-02-20 13:44:14 GMT)
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Ah, well that puts a completely different complexion on it then!

The "Lancel Classic" clearly is a sporting event for sailing yachts, as Jacques has so rightly said, in which case, I think "classic yachts" would be the best term to use.

Try to get that idea of "rigging" out of your mind, it's really a faux ami; about the only similar term we use in EN would be "square-riggers", or other variants describing a particular rig, like "gaff-riggers", etc. Out of place here, I'm afraid!

Tony M
France
Local time: 03:22
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 150

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Alain Pommet: Or vessel
6 mins
  -> Merci, Alain !

agree  Graham macLachlan: but imo too long, personally can't stand the term 'vieux gréement' sounds like the rigging is worn out!// Oi!
32 mins
  -> Thanks, Mactrad! I agree, but what else...?

agree  Vicky Papaprodromou
1 hr
  -> Efharisto, Vicky!
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40 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +3
vieux gréement (URGENT THANKS!)
traditional boats


Explanation:
let's not get too technical...

Traditional Boats & Tall Ships - The Magazine for lovers of Sail ...Tall Ships and Traditional Boats - The Site for all lovers of Sailing!
www.tallship.co.uk

Scottish Traditional Boat Festival 2006An annual weekend celebration of traditional boats and boat-building, with an accompanying programme of visual and performing arts; includes details for ...
www.thebpl.co.uk/stbf2006/

Thames Traditional Boat RallyThames Traditional Boat Rally home page, all the information you could want on this famous festival concerning this famous annual event, plus many great ...
www.tradboatrally.com

Calendar of Classic Boat Festivals and Traditional Boat Races at ...The festival is only open to traditional boats and ships of all sizes and ... Maritime Festival inviting traditional and classic boats for a nautical and ...
www.tradboat2.co.uk/calendar/calendar.htm



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Note added at 51 mins (2007-02-20 13:17:51 GMT)
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the 'vieux gréements de l'Atlantique' are undoubtedly the traditionally rigged (gaff, lug, gunter, etc.) boats of the Atlantic seaboard and not transatlantic racing yachts as jacqueb seems to be saying.

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Note added at 1 hr (2007-02-20 13:51:46 GMT)
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'old' in 'vieux gréement' generally refers to the type of rigging, not its age funnily enough, boats that could be considered as workboats and as such not yachts... however the lancel classic is ALL about yachting so maybe they want to differentiate between old and modern yachts, in that case I would use the term "classic boats" or if I was really sure, "classic yachts"


Graham macLachlan
Local time: 03:22
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 352
Grading comment
"Classic boats" it is... rather than yachts as the keelboats wouldn't qualify as yachts (unless I'm mistaken). Thanks to everyone for helping out in an emergency, and to mactrad and Tony in particular for their heroic answers!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tony M: Could be the best solution, though I can't help feeling that "craft" (even without "sailing") has slightly more appeal to it? // He was a LANDLUBBER! Inland waterways? Bof...!
15 mins
  -> that fine sailor Ratty didn't say, "there's nothing like messing about in craft"! :-)

agree  Vicky Papaprodromou
1 hr
  -> Thanks Vicky

agree  Miranda Joubioux (X): Seeing some of the Press releases from the past, yes, "classic boats" is best here.
4 hrs
  -> thanks
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