incitations rétives

English translation: counter-productive incentives

21:22 Dec 10, 2006
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Military / Defense / disarmament
French term or phrase: incitations rétives
Spécifiquement pour des projets spéciaux impliquant les forces irrégulières, une attention particulière doit être menée pour éviter la création d’incitations rétives, comme des individus ou des groupes qui s’arment délibérément pour bénéficier du programme.
NancyLynn
Canada
Local time: 13:14
English translation:counter-productive incentives
Explanation:
THis expression is military jargon that does not have to be semantically pure in any language. THe example given explains the point: obviously if there are very attractive disarmement incentives - as in the Afghanistan and formerly in ex-Yugoslavia, those able to do basic mathematics will buy weapons (cheaply) in order to receive an incentive to give them up.
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234561
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just the ticket, thanks very much
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Summary of answers provided
4 +3counter-productive incentives
234561
3spurring recalcitrant action
tralamode
3avoid contributing to (the) restiveness
Martine Brault
3avoid creating incentives for disorder
Laura Tridico
3behavior that runs counter to the aim of the programme
Jeffrey Lewis
3hidden agenda
blavatsky


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spurring recalcitrant action


Explanation:
possibly

tralamode
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avoid contributing to (the) restiveness


Explanation:
maybe?

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Note added at 1 hr (2006-12-10 22:47:52 GMT)
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Following Juliebarba's (relevant) comment, I would suggest "inciting to restiveness"

Martine Brault
Canada
Local time: 13:14
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Julie Barber: I'd avoid contributing towards, because that seems to suggest that it already exists whereas the text says la "création" d’incitations. Just making a small point...
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  -> good point
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avoid creating incentives for disorder


Explanation:
Just another thought - I know I'm messing around with the syntax, but the article seems to convey the idea that these projects may create new incentives for violence/disorder/rebellion (almost like market forces). ..take it for what it is!

Laura Tridico
United States
Local time: 13:14
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behavior that runs counter to the aim of the programme


Explanation:
I would ask for context, but I'm afraid the answer would be "I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you."

Seriously...in context this seems to be about a weapon-buyback program, and the bad behavior to be avoided is people who go out and obtain (e.g., steal) guns so they can sell them to the "project". This is possible just because the "irregulars" are irregular. Anybody could claim to be one, they're not listed by name.

So Mr. Pagett seems to me to be correct in substance. There's no restiveness or disorder implied. "rétive" means "not doing what is wanted". You don't want to give anyone a reason to game the "decommissioning" (a word that comes up in the IRA context).

So I'll suggest this:

"particular care should be taken not to encourage behavior that runs counter to the aim of the programme".

"Recalcitrant" has a slightly off-target connotation in English, because it implies that someone has already been admonished, which is not the case here. Also, while we should normally express ideas in positive terms, I think that here "not encourage" is more precise than "spurring".



Jeffrey Lewis
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hidden agenda


Explanation:
also could be 'ulterior motives'
I tend to agree with Jeffrey Lewis

blavatsky
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counter-productive incentives


Explanation:
THis expression is military jargon that does not have to be semantically pure in any language. THe example given explains the point: obviously if there are very attractive disarmement incentives - as in the Afghanistan and formerly in ex-Yugoslavia, those able to do basic mathematics will buy weapons (cheaply) in order to receive an incentive to give them up.

234561
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just the ticket, thanks very much

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  MatthewLaSon: Yes! I know this is it. I couldn't think of "counter-productive." Good job!
28 mins

agree  danièle davout
12 hrs

agree  Laura Tridico: I'm jumping on this one too - it's what I was trying to get at (but couldn't quite...)
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