quando postos em paralelo

English translation: when the two are considered side by side [it's almost redundant anyway]

09:36 May 25, 2006
Portuguese to English translations [PRO]
Science - Linguistics / morphology
Portuguese term or phrase: quando postos em paralelo
desfaz a suposição de que a mudança da ordem dos constituintes estaria na base de uma construção demonstrativa, advinda de dados seguintes, quando postos em paralelo:
zabrowa
Local time: 10:54
English translation:when the two are considered side by side [it's almost redundant anyway]
Explanation:
This piece takes the cake!!!! I have puzzled over it for about 20 minutes. I've come to the conclusion that the last phrase is almost redundant. I still don't know what goes after the colon, but I'm guessing that it's the two possible forms that are being discussed. Unless there is something different after the colon, this is what I understand:

When the referent receives the suffix classifier [let's say -ky, for example], the resulting demonstrative construction can replace the demonstrative possessive prefix ruk- [the next part is redundant], which would normally precede the modified noun.

[Thus, for example, if the referent is 'boat', to say 'this boat' you could use either:

boat-ky (suffix classifier) OR:
ruk-boat (demonstrative possessive prefix)]

This optional use of the derivational suffix, already seen in examples xxxx, shoots down the assumption that change in the order of the constituents is the basis for a demonstrative construction that foreshadows subsequent information, when the two are considered side by side.


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Actually, my doubt from the beginning was that I couldn't figure out what was parallel. Then when I saw the larger context, it still didin't make sense to say that the two forms are parallel. They are interchangeable! So I shifted footing and made them "parallel" in the eye of the linguistic observer, who would be looking at them, or considering them, side by side.
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Muriel Vasconcellos
United States
Local time: 01:54
Grading comment
You're *good*! Yes, this must be the correct interpretation. Thanks for taking the time on this one, I wish I could give you more points... :) Thanks!
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Summary of answers provided
5 +1When placed in parallel
suesimons
4when parallel
Michael Powers (PhD)
3when matched
Isabella Becker
3when the two are considered side by side [it's almost redundant anyway]
Muriel Vasconcellos


Discussion entries: 4





  

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when matched


Explanation:
Sugestão

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Note added at 30 mins (2006-05-25 10:06:10 GMT)
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match (v)

Function: verb

1
Synonyms: OPPOSE 1, counter, pit, play (off), vie
2
Synonyms: EQUATE 2, assimilate, compare, liken, paragon, parallel

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Isabella Becker
Brazil
Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese
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when parallel


Explanation:
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Mike :)

Michael Powers (PhD)
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When placed in parallel


Explanation:
A common phrase.

suesimons
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1 day 22 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
when the two are considered side by side [it's almost redundant anyway]


Explanation:
This piece takes the cake!!!! I have puzzled over it for about 20 minutes. I've come to the conclusion that the last phrase is almost redundant. I still don't know what goes after the colon, but I'm guessing that it's the two possible forms that are being discussed. Unless there is something different after the colon, this is what I understand:

When the referent receives the suffix classifier [let's say -ky, for example], the resulting demonstrative construction can replace the demonstrative possessive prefix ruk- [the next part is redundant], which would normally precede the modified noun.

[Thus, for example, if the referent is 'boat', to say 'this boat' you could use either:

boat-ky (suffix classifier) OR:
ruk-boat (demonstrative possessive prefix)]

This optional use of the derivational suffix, already seen in examples xxxx, shoots down the assumption that change in the order of the constituents is the basis for a demonstrative construction that foreshadows subsequent information, when the two are considered side by side.


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Note added at 1 day22 hrs (2006-05-27 07:57:22 GMT)
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Actually, my doubt from the beginning was that I couldn't figure out what was parallel. Then when I saw the larger context, it still didin't make sense to say that the two forms are parallel. They are interchangeable! So I shifted footing and made them "parallel" in the eye of the linguistic observer, who would be looking at them, or considering them, side by side.

Muriel Vasconcellos
United States
Local time: 01:54
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 2542
Grading comment
You're *good*! Yes, this must be the correct interpretation. Thanks for taking the time on this one, I wish I could give you more points... :) Thanks!
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