pole

French translation: harponner

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English term or phrase:pole
French translation:harponner
Entered by: elysee

00:49 May 10, 2006
English to French translations [Non-PRO]
Art/Literary - Sports / Fitness / Recreation / Fishing
English term or phrase: pole
"[the Indians] wove dories through tumbling water, * poled * schools of darting salmon..."

I'm not sure if it means that they were fishing with poles (pole fishing)... or "harpooning" them with a pole... or maybe just "pushing" the salmons into a trap ?

Pêcher à la ligne / au coup ? Pêcher à la sagaie ? Rabattre avec une perche ?

Thanks !
RemiC
France
Local time: 23:12
pêche à la ligne avec l'appât vivant
Explanation:
je pense qu'il s'agit de la pêche à la ligne, et donc avec l'appât vivant

(et non comme très fréquemment de nos jours dans nos pays, où on utilise aussi des éléments artificiels (sous différentes formes et imitations de certains vrais appâts, insectes, poissons, petits animaux divers)


http://www.granddictionnaire.com/btml/fra/r_motclef/index102...
Domaine(s) :
- fishing
fishing boats
pole fisher = thonier à l'appât vivant n. m.
Définition :
A boat equipped to catch tuna with poles and lines.
[Office de la langue française, 1979]

Domaine(s) :
- fishing
- people designations / job titles
line fisherman = pêcheur à la ligne n. m.
quasi-synonyme(s)
pole fisherman
[Office de la langue française, 1985]


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dans ton texte, le transformer en verbe......
pêcher à la ligne avec l'appât vivant


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en effet ce contexte en plus est important. Pour la pêche en rivière on pratique justement la pêche à la mouche (donc appâts artificiels) mais comme je le disais précédemment, c'est ainsi de nos jours...

ici si ton texte se situe dans les années '20, c'est plus dur pour moi (je n'étais pas encore là ! ;o) et j'en sais peu malheureusement...)

mais j'imagine que ces indiens utilisaient alors des genres de bâtons qu'ils lançaient sur le poisson quand ils le voyaient, en avançant lentement dans l'eau, s'immobilisant de temps à autre pour "ne pas faire fuir" le poisson.
je pense qu'il s'agissait d'une pêche sans accessoires particuliers, très rudimentaire donc.


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donc dans ce cas, je rectifie ma réponse initiale.......

ce serait plutôt une façon de pêcher dans le sens de "harpooning" them with a pole"...

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MA REPONSE FINALE EST DONC =
PECHE AU HARPON


http://www.granddictionnaire.com/btml/fra/r_motclef/index102... Domaine(s) :
- fishing / types of fishing
harpooning = pêche au harpon n. f.

Don Abbott, while driving in the area, stopped to photograph the harpooning of salmon near the mouth of the Cowichan River. As a result, one of the fisherman carved a harpoon for the Provincial Museum
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/salish/photo/fishing/pn0550511.h...
photo ….mais des années ’70


First Nations fishermen sometimes used harpoons and spears to catch salmon. These tools were most effective in certain environments and under specific river conditions. For instance, harpoons and spears worked best in streams and rivers where the water was clear. They were also used in bays and inlets where large numbers of salmon would gather before moving into the rivers for their upstream migrations. Both the harpoon and spear required great skill to be used efficiently and effectively. During earlier times, when thousands of salmon could be seen swimming up BC rivers, the use of both harpoons and spears could bring in a large number of the salmon needed for the winter.
There are several differences between harpoons and spears. For instance, harpoons could be either hurled or used to stab fish while spears were only used for stabbing (some harpoons had handgrips to give better traction when thrown). Harpoons were also considerably longer and more strongly built than spears. They were therefore used to catch the larger species of salmon, such as the Spring. With the assistance of a canoe, and flares to see by, harpoons could be used at night to catch fish.
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/pacificfisheries/techno/harp2.ht...
Two men harpooning salmon near the mouth of the Cowichan River.
PLUSIEURS PHOTOS DE HARPONS
First Nations salmon harpoons.
Images © Hilary Stewart.
Indian Fishing: Early Methods on the Northwest Coast.p. 72.

White River Journal: Gone Fishing
The harpooning of salmon was generally done in clear, shallow water, such as rivers and streams. Harpoons differ from spears in that the harpoon head ...
www.wrvmuseum.org/journal/journal_ftbr_0403.htm

Slocan Valley, British Columbia, Canada -
... which refers to the aboriginal practice of spearing or harpooning the salmon that used to be plentiful throughout the Slocan district. ...
www.britishcolumbia.com/regions/towns/?townID=3960

+++++++++++++++++++

Fishing -
Depending on the location, salmon were caught by hooking, harpooning or shooting with arrows. In places, latticework weirs acted as obstructions, ...
www.makah.com/tradfishing.htm

DOCUMENT: WWTREATY.TXT TREATY RIGHTS WORKSHOP BACKGROUND OF TREATY ...
... jigging, set-lining, impounding, gaffing, spearing, harpooning, raking, ... Prior to the 1854 Treaty of Medicine Creek, salmon played a vital role in ...
www.cwis.org/fwdp/Americas/wwtreaty.txt

Willamette Week | Rogue of the Week - [ Traduci questa pagina ]
Last week, blubber-huggers blasted the Makah Indians for harpooning a gray whale ... troubled species of steelhead and salmon that ply the Columbia River. ...
www.wweek.com/html/rogue052699.html


"harpooning" + "salmon"
http://www.google.it/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=it&btnG=Cerca co...

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elysee
Italy
Local time: 23:12
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Merci ! ;o)
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pêche à la ligne avec l'appât vivant


Explanation:
je pense qu'il s'agit de la pêche à la ligne, et donc avec l'appât vivant

(et non comme très fréquemment de nos jours dans nos pays, où on utilise aussi des éléments artificiels (sous différentes formes et imitations de certains vrais appâts, insectes, poissons, petits animaux divers)


http://www.granddictionnaire.com/btml/fra/r_motclef/index102...
Domaine(s) :
- fishing
fishing boats
pole fisher = thonier à l'appât vivant n. m.
Définition :
A boat equipped to catch tuna with poles and lines.
[Office de la langue française, 1979]

Domaine(s) :
- fishing
- people designations / job titles
line fisherman = pêcheur à la ligne n. m.
quasi-synonyme(s)
pole fisherman
[Office de la langue française, 1985]


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Note added at 18 mins (2006-05-10 01:08:07 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

dans ton texte, le transformer en verbe......
pêcher à la ligne avec l'appât vivant


--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2006-05-10 01:54:01 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

en effet ce contexte en plus est important. Pour la pêche en rivière on pratique justement la pêche à la mouche (donc appâts artificiels) mais comme je le disais précédemment, c'est ainsi de nos jours...

ici si ton texte se situe dans les années '20, c'est plus dur pour moi (je n'étais pas encore là ! ;o) et j'en sais peu malheureusement...)

mais j'imagine que ces indiens utilisaient alors des genres de bâtons qu'ils lançaient sur le poisson quand ils le voyaient, en avançant lentement dans l'eau, s'immobilisant de temps à autre pour "ne pas faire fuir" le poisson.
je pense qu'il s'agissait d'une pêche sans accessoires particuliers, très rudimentaire donc.


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Note added at 1 hr (2006-05-10 01:56:00 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

donc dans ce cas, je rectifie ma réponse initiale.......

ce serait plutôt une façon de pêcher dans le sens de "harpooning" them with a pole"...

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Note added at 1 hr (2006-05-10 02:07:51 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

MA REPONSE FINALE EST DONC =
PECHE AU HARPON


http://www.granddictionnaire.com/btml/fra/r_motclef/index102... Domaine(s) :
- fishing / types of fishing
harpooning = pêche au harpon n. f.

Don Abbott, while driving in the area, stopped to photograph the harpooning of salmon near the mouth of the Cowichan River. As a result, one of the fisherman carved a harpoon for the Provincial Museum
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/salish/photo/fishing/pn0550511.h...
photo ….mais des années ’70


First Nations fishermen sometimes used harpoons and spears to catch salmon. These tools were most effective in certain environments and under specific river conditions. For instance, harpoons and spears worked best in streams and rivers where the water was clear. They were also used in bays and inlets where large numbers of salmon would gather before moving into the rivers for their upstream migrations. Both the harpoon and spear required great skill to be used efficiently and effectively. During earlier times, when thousands of salmon could be seen swimming up BC rivers, the use of both harpoons and spears could bring in a large number of the salmon needed for the winter.
There are several differences between harpoons and spears. For instance, harpoons could be either hurled or used to stab fish while spears were only used for stabbing (some harpoons had handgrips to give better traction when thrown). Harpoons were also considerably longer and more strongly built than spears. They were therefore used to catch the larger species of salmon, such as the Spring. With the assistance of a canoe, and flares to see by, harpoons could be used at night to catch fish.
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/pacificfisheries/techno/harp2.ht...
Two men harpooning salmon near the mouth of the Cowichan River.
PLUSIEURS PHOTOS DE HARPONS
First Nations salmon harpoons.
Images © Hilary Stewart.
Indian Fishing: Early Methods on the Northwest Coast.p. 72.

White River Journal: Gone Fishing
The harpooning of salmon was generally done in clear, shallow water, such as rivers and streams. Harpoons differ from spears in that the harpoon head ...
www.wrvmuseum.org/journal/journal_ftbr_0403.htm

Slocan Valley, British Columbia, Canada -
... which refers to the aboriginal practice of spearing or harpooning the salmon that used to be plentiful throughout the Slocan district. ...
www.britishcolumbia.com/regions/towns/?townID=3960

+++++++++++++++++++

Fishing -
Depending on the location, salmon were caught by hooking, harpooning or shooting with arrows. In places, latticework weirs acted as obstructions, ...
www.makah.com/tradfishing.htm

DOCUMENT: WWTREATY.TXT TREATY RIGHTS WORKSHOP BACKGROUND OF TREATY ...
... jigging, set-lining, impounding, gaffing, spearing, harpooning, raking, ... Prior to the 1854 Treaty of Medicine Creek, salmon played a vital role in ...
www.cwis.org/fwdp/Americas/wwtreaty.txt

Willamette Week | Rogue of the Week - [ Traduci questa pagina ]
Last week, blubber-huggers blasted the Makah Indians for harpooning a gray whale ... troubled species of steelhead and salmon that ply the Columbia River. ...
www.wweek.com/html/rogue052699.html


"harpooning" + "salmon"
http://www.google.it/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=it&btnG=Cerca co...



elysee
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