Complexe lourd

English translation: See explanation below...

09:25 Feb 7, 2006
French to English translations [PRO]
Wine / Oenology / Viticulture / Details of the bottle
French term or phrase: Complexe lourd
Capsule et col de la bouteille en complexe lourd, impression façon étain.

"Complexe lourd" refers to the material the capsule is made of, but I'm not sure what this would be in English.
Rosemary Harvey (X)
Local time: 19:36
English translation:See explanation below...
Explanation:
In the olden days, it would have been lead foil.

Nowadays, they often use a thin plastic shrink material, but here I think they are talking about a 'complex material' (i.e. made up of more than a single layer) and which has the 'heavy' feel to it of the old lead, without the health risks!

It's quite probably a lead film with a plastic liner film, for example --- I'm forever peeling the stuff of my bottles, but I must admit I've never actually dissected it to find out what it's made up of.

The important thing is that it is thick and heavy enough, and will take a 'pewter-like' stamp --- i.e., it reeks 'quality without lead poisoning'
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Tony M
France
Local time: 20:36
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Thanks.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1Aluminum composite (capsule)
Roland Marshall
4 +1polylam
Bourth (X)
4(made of) heavy material
Laura Iglesias
3 +1See explanation below...
Tony M
2Heavy compound / alloy / mixture?
Mark Edmundson


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(made of) heavy material


Explanation:
good luck!

Laura Iglesias
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See explanation below...


Explanation:
In the olden days, it would have been lead foil.

Nowadays, they often use a thin plastic shrink material, but here I think they are talking about a 'complex material' (i.e. made up of more than a single layer) and which has the 'heavy' feel to it of the old lead, without the health risks!

It's quite probably a lead film with a plastic liner film, for example --- I'm forever peeling the stuff of my bottles, but I must admit I've never actually dissected it to find out what it's made up of.

The important thing is that it is thick and heavy enough, and will take a 'pewter-like' stamp --- i.e., it reeks 'quality without lead poisoning'

Tony M
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Thanks.

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agree  Bourth (X): But you know I'm a terminology geek ...
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  -> Thanks, Alex! I think you really deserved the points for this one!
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Heavy compound / alloy / mixture?


Explanation:
Just a suggestion.

Mark Edmundson
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Aluminum composite (capsule)


Explanation:
I'm more or less in agreement with Dusty on this one, and will go one further in putting forward the term above. Indeed, the web sites cited mention that this type of capsule replaces the now banned lead foil ones and has as much malleability and pliability as tin or lead foil ones, whilst also retaining the aesthetic properties (quality without lead...etc.).


    Reference: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3488/is_n12_v71/a...
    Reference: http://www.ohiowines.org/winery_starter_kit.htm
Roland Marshall
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agree  Bourth (X): Attacked it from scratch but came up with a similar result: polylam
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polylam


Explanation:
Capsule "NOBILUX", complexe lourd ALU/POLYETHYLENE collé et tête ALUMINIUM
www.douane.gouv.fr/dab/pdf/01-069.pdf

Today all of that has changed, and the capsules have become an important element in promoting the marketability of wines, particularly premium wines. Joseph Hoeller, Business Unit Manager of Klöckner Pentaplast of America, Inc. (Gordonsville, Virginia), which is a major provider of vinyl packaging of all types in the U.S., and represents its sister company, Kalle Pentaplast GmbH, in the western hemisphere, reports that of the more than 450 million capsules produced annually in the U.S. 40% are made from vinyl, 25% of POLYLAM (an ALUMINUM FOIL/POLYETHYLENE/ALUMINUM sandwich) and 15% tin, with some 20% comprising non-capsule bottle tops of wax, B-tops and other materials. This is a far cry from 1990 when the figures were 80% tin/lead, 15% vinyl and 5% POLYLAM.
http://www.kpafilms.com/KPA/case_histories/article_winecaps-...


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This year's look at wine capsules reveals an increase in polylam usage and new decorative techniques in an effort to stand apart from the rest. ...
winebusiness.com

Stock wine capsules and closures in PVC and polylam and custom capsules in full range of colors and sizes for wine bottling.
www.canalspackaging.com

Vinicap manufacture PVC and aluminum capsules for wine and sparkling wine bottles. Shrinkable PVC Polylam Aluminum Foil. Vino-Lok • Vino-Lok Click here to ...
www.columbit.co.nz/wine_industry/

Though Pechiney can supply them on tin and polylam capsules, few wine industry customers request them. "For sparkling ...
www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m3488/ 5_84/102287190/p4/article.jhtml?term=

into aluminum-polyethylene-aluminum “sandwich”, commonly called polylam. ... and PETG and champagne foils in aluminum and polylaminate for the wine, ...
www.enocapsule.com/X/Laminator_PressRelease.htm

with the bread being aluminum and the peanut butter being polyethylene." polylam has been used for a long time as a sparkling wine capsule where the ...
www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ mi_m3488/is_n3_v74/ai_13662664

OR :

APA
wine bottle capsules (tin/lead, aluminum, PVC or OPS) do not affect quality of wine in the bottle. ... APA = aluminum-polyethylene-aluminum ...
www.gobelle.com/p/articles/ mi_m3488/is_n12_v71/ai_9249064/pg_2?pi=gbl

Would be particularly suitable for aN apa Valley wine, but does not get many ghits.


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