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la Hire

English translation: called la Hire

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French term or phrase:la Hire
English translation:called la Hire
Entered by: RHELLER

23:33 Jan 8, 2006
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - History / Hundred Years War /Jeanne d'Arc
French term or phrase: la Hire
Accompagnée par Jean d'Alençon... Étienne de Vignolles
dit la Hire et Jean de Bueil, Jeanne partit pour Orléans.

if you don't know the term, do you know what it means?

thanks in advance :-)
RHELLER
United States
Local time: 19:16
la hire
Explanation:
Keep the name. see:1429, May 6 - French troops cross a pontoon bridge in preparation for an attack upon the fortress at St-Jean-le-Blanc; the English fall back to the fortress of the Augustinians. Joan and La Hire lead the French troops against the English, capturing the fortress of the Augustinians. Joan steps on a caltrop and is wounded in the foot; that night she predicts a more serious wound to be suffered on the next day. At: http://members.aol.com/hywwebsite/private/joanofarc_timeline...
He was one of Joanne D'arc companion's in arms. See: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jean-claude.colrat/2lahire.htm
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Pedro Oliveira
Portugal
Local time: 02:16
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thanks to Pedro and to all - I think many options are possible but this one sounded best to me :-)
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5 +3la hire
Pedro Oliveira
4 +2Ire
mireille aboumrad
4Captain La Hire
Aotearoa
3 +1Opinions differ
Bourth (X)


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Ire


Explanation:
Lorsque le 22 avril 1429, Jeanne quitte Blois pour Orléans, La Hire, ... Les anglais l'avaient surnommé "la Hire-Dieu" (ira-Dei : la colère de Dieu), ...
duguesclin.free.fr/guerre_de_cent_ans/page/La_hire.htm - 10k - Cached - Similar pages



mireille aboumrad
United States
Local time: 21:16
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  writeaway: tons of info all over Google http://www.google.be/search?q=Étienne de Vignolles&hl=en&lr=...
17 mins
agree  Sandra C.: good explanation!
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21 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +3
la hire


Explanation:
Keep the name. see:1429, May 6 - French troops cross a pontoon bridge in preparation for an attack upon the fortress at St-Jean-le-Blanc; the English fall back to the fortress of the Augustinians. Joan and La Hire lead the French troops against the English, capturing the fortress of the Augustinians. Joan steps on a caltrop and is wounded in the foot; that night she predicts a more serious wound to be suffered on the next day. At: http://members.aol.com/hywwebsite/private/joanofarc_timeline...
He was one of Joanne D'arc companion's in arms. See: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jean-claude.colrat/2lahire.htm

Pedro Oliveira
Portugal
Local time: 02:16
Native speaker of: Portuguese
PRO pts in category: 4
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thanks to Pedro and to all - I think many options are possible but this one sounded best to me :-)

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Adam Deutsch
2 hrs
  -> thanks
agree  emiledgar: Etienne De Vignolles dit La Hire capitaine francais ne a Vignolles (Gascogne) 1390-1443. Il fut l'un des compagnons de Jeanne D'Arc.
4 hrs
  -> thanks
agree  Adam Warren: There is a small country in the Landes called le Pays de La Hire (with the 'h' sounded)
1 day 10 hrs
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Captain La Hire


Explanation:
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Note added at 25 mins (2006-01-08 23:59:11 GMT)
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The King, realizing the grave need for speedy relief to those under attack in Orleans, summoned his Council-to which Joan was likewise called-to weigh the means of [bringing] assistance and sustenance to those who were under siege. "I will undertake to do both, if you give me armed men," was Joan's declaration.

Then the King took further counsel with his captains. They, knowing and admitting the dire necessity of those besieged, the resolute success of the English, who, up to that moment, had achieved their aim in all their projects, and the extremities in which the affairs of the King and the kingdom existed, were of the opinion that the King might make use of this proposal of the Maid.

All agreed to do this.

Gilles de Rais and Ambrose de Lore" were assigned to accompany and escort her. They traveled with Joan to Blois where she was received with due honor by the Chancellor of France, Regnault de Chartes, Archbishop of Reims, Bastard of Orleans, La Hire, Poton de Saintrailles, and other captains, all of whom werein the city.
[...]
Then the captains of the king made derision and mockery, "Look, our valiant champion and captain! She will recover the kingdom of France?" They mut­tered against the King and his counsellors, all except the Duke of Alengon and a courageous captain of good will named La Hire.

(http://faculty.smu.edu/bwheeler/ijas/delteil.html)


Aotearoa
New Zealand
Local time: 13:16
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Opinions differ


Explanation:
Either because he was violent when angered, or because of his birthplace ...

Étienne de Vignolles, also known as ‘La Hire’. The word ‘hire’ in French means ‘anger’ and expresses well the character of this captain who supported Joan. ...
faculty.smu.edu/bwheeler/Joan_of_Arc/french.html

Son surnom de La Hire viendrait du fait qu'il était assez violent et colèreux (ire = colère en français d'alors). Guerre de Cent Ans ...
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Étienne_de_Vignolles

Son vrai nom est Etienne de Vignolles. Son surnom de La Hire n'est pas expliqué. Il était courant que les hommes d'armes portent un surnom qui pouvait provenir d'une caractéristique physique, d'un défaut caractéristique ou d'un nom de lieu. L'explication la plus répandue est que La Hire vient du caractère coléreux (l'ire en ancien français) d'E. de Vignolles, mais on peut supposer aussi une référence à son origine géographique : Hinx, ou deux localité située près de Vignolles : la Hite ou Larehille.
http://www.jeannedarc.com.fr/centre/vignolles.html


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Note added at 1 day 1 hr 15 mins (2006-01-10 00:48:38 GMT) Post-grading
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A comparison could be drawn with "Hotspur", the nickname of Henry Percy, who died at the Battle of Shrewsbury in his rebellion against the King of England, so named because of his impulsive nature, it is said.

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Note added at 1 day 1 hr 28 mins (2006-01-10 01:01:42 GMT) Post-grading
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As to whether it needs translation or explanation, in comparison again I would note that while Harry Percy is widely known as "Hotspur" in England (Tottenham Hotspurs football team bears his name to this day, in his honour), and is referred to as such in historical texts, there appears to be no mention of his nickname - not that I can find - in French texts available on the Ouèbbhe. So maybe it could just be ignored (?).


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Note added at 1 day 1 hr 29 mins (2006-01-10 01:02:36 GMT) Post-grading
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No mention either as an explanation, translation, or even simply as "Hotspur", that is.

Bourth (X)
Local time: 03:16
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 154

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Christopher Crockett: The Middle Ages abounded in both "toponyms" (names based on place of origin) and "cognomens" (nicknames based on physiology, behavior, etc.). Eventually --in about Joan's time-- some of these became true family names.
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