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which reaches

English translation: that encompasses

17:42 Oct 24, 2005
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Education / Pedagogy
English term or phrase: which reaches
654 schools... a universe which reaches about 350 thousand students, who will be affected directly or indirectly by these initiatives.

that is, there are 350 000 students in those 654 schools.
Lakasa Stnorden
Local time: 19:44
Selected answer:that encompasses
Explanation:
one possibility ... I (and many strict grammarians) prefer 'that' here instead of 'which', but I won't go so far as to pronounce it wrong ... ; )

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Note added at 1 hr 34 mins (2005-10-24 19:16:39 GMT)
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Regarding your added context, I would change
"... projects aimed to enrich teaching ..." to
"... projects aimed at enriching teaching ..."

or, to avoid the consecutive '-ing's,

"... projects designed to enrich teaching ..."

And I agree with Armorel that the comma following 'students' should be deleted.
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Brie Vernier
Germany
Local time: 00:44
Grading comment
Many thanks.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED
4 +7that encompasses
Brie Vernier
4 +1of
Clauwolf
4 +1extends to
Michael Barnett
5touching the lives of
Ana Traversa (X)
3which
Armorel Young
3yes
jccantrell


Discussion entries: 3





  

Answers


28 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
which


Explanation:
which sounds fine to me in this context, but the comma after "students" needs to disappear and "aimed to" is not normal English - "aiming to" would be a lot better.

Armorel Young
Local time: 23:44
Works in field
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  transparx: i'm not sure what you mean by normal English,but there are lots of refs with 'aimed to': http://medicine.uthscsa.edu/welcome.shtml. & i think the comma is fine,if the clause is nonrestrictive -probably the case since who can be replaced with "all of whom"
1 hr
  -> of course there are refs. to "aimed to" but it's a different usage altogether - cf. "he aimed TO shoot John" and "he aimed his gun AT John" - they're not interchangeable
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
of


Explanation:
:)

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Note added at 36 mins (2005-10-24 18:18:55 GMT)
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Recently, that represented a universe of about 5500 stocks. In rating the outlook
for stocks from strong to poor on a 10-point scale, StockScouter does not ...
moneycentral.msn.com/articles/invest/extra/7102.asp - 35k - 22 out. 2005 - Em cache - Páginas Semelhantes

Comments of Lois Peltz for the SEC Roundtable on Hedge Funds - [ Traduzir esta página ]
Others observe that in a universe of about 6000 hedge funds, ten blowups over a
period of nine years is miniscule. However, others feel the number of hedge ...
www.sec.gov/spotlight/hedgefunds/hedge-peltz.htm - 4k - Em cache - Páginas Semelhantes

Ziff Davis Media : Ask the Experts - [ Traduzir esta página ]
The Millward Brown IntelliQuest 2005 CIMS Business Study reports a universe of
about 35 million. Although these people have some influence on ...
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The Hindu Business Line : Earnings growth can sustain valuations - [ Traduzir esta página ]
For half of the stocks in a universe of about 350 stocks, the earnings growth
required over the next five years is about 15 per cent or lower. ...
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Welcome to YellowJournalist.com - [ Traduzir esta página ]
I had a universe of about 1500 articles to draw on...Of those 1500, I would guess
that a minority were Asian-American themed, so I obviously write on other ...
www.yellowjournalist.com/reviews_urbanview_apr2001.html - 13k - Em cache - Páginas Semelhantes


Clauwolf
Local time: 19:44
Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  RHELLER: that's how I would put it
3 hrs
  -> thanks
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
yes


Explanation:
The way I understand the sentence, there are 350 000 students spread over 654 schools.

That is only an average of 536 students per school. I had 300 students in my senior class when I graduated from high school and it was considered a small school at the time.

My thought from the USA.

jccantrell
United States
Local time: 15:44
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
extends to


Explanation:
This is just another suggestion. "Encompasses" emphasizes the limits of the universe, while "extends to" emphasizes its size.

Michael Barnett
Local time: 18:44
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  transparx: yes, i think this would be a good alternative.
1 hr
  -> Thank you Nino.
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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +7
that encompasses


Explanation:
one possibility ... I (and many strict grammarians) prefer 'that' here instead of 'which', but I won't go so far as to pronounce it wrong ... ; )

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Note added at 1 hr 34 mins (2005-10-24 19:16:39 GMT)
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Regarding your added context, I would change
"... projects aimed to enrich teaching ..." to
"... projects aimed at enriching teaching ..."

or, to avoid the consecutive '-ing's,

"... projects designed to enrich teaching ..."

And I agree with Armorel that the comma following 'students' should be deleted.

Brie Vernier
Germany
Local time: 00:44
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
Many thanks.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Lancashireman: Why does my MS WORD spell and grammar check keep telling me to use ‘that’ instead of ‘which’ as a relative pronoun? Is it a BE v AE difference? (I like to think of myself as a ‘strict grammarian’.)
6 mins
  -> Yes, in part ... more importantly, it is a 'restrictive vs. non-restrictive difference' - see http://tinyurl.com/dsoze - and ... it is simply *right* ; ) So get that neutral outta here!! Besides, I didn't "go so far as to say ..."
agree  Kurt Porter: encompasses is great!
20 mins
  -> Thanks, Kurt
agree  Jack Doughty: With Andrew. I guess it must be a BE vs AE difference. Confirmed by your obviously American reference.
20 mins
  -> Thanks, Jack ... see my link for Andrew//can't quite agree with that one -- here's another take on it that may suit you better: http://tinyurl.com/cve26
agree  David Hollywood: "encompasses" (covers) is spot on and "that" is more widely used in the US for sure :)
32 mins
  -> Thanks, David
agree  pike
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Pike
agree  transparx: i think both "that" and "which" are possible. i agree with you that it'd be better to avoid using two -ing's here (though not always -i'm considering buying a car!). if anything, 'that encompasses' could be reduced to "encompassing."
2 hrs
  -> Thanks, Nino. Clearly the "which" doesn't disturb the Brits in the least, and many Americans would use it, as well. I'm not saying the two -ing's *must* be avoided, just offering the option. Simply "encompassing" would certainly avoid the that/which issue
agree  Saleh Chowdhury, Ph.D.
21 hrs
agree  Alfa Trans (X)
21 hrs
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1 day 4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
touching the lives of


Explanation:

The context that follows would seem to indicate that it's the impact that matters, hence the idiomaticity (and emotional connotations) I've chosen. The reduction of the relative clause to -ing postmodification adds economy and effect.

Ana Traversa (X)
Local time: 19:44
Specializes in field
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