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Directeur général non administrateur

English translation: Non-board member Managing Director

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French term or phrase:Directeur général non administrateur
English translation:Non-board member Managing Director
Entered by: Angie Taylor

13:53 Oct 4, 2005
French to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Business/Commerce (general) / COMPANY BOARD
French term or phrase: Directeur général non administrateur
I think it means that he is DG but not a Board member. Is this right and is there a proper way of saying it in English?

Thanks.
Angie Taylor
United Kingdom
Local time: 04:00
Non-board member Managing Director
Explanation:
A PDG is Chairman and Managing Director {UK) and
Chairman and Executive Director (USA)

non-administrateur is not non-executive...the Managing Director is executive if anyone is...

He or she is Not a Member of the board....

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Note added at 18 mins (2005-10-04 14:12:14 GMT)
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It can also be: non-board Director

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Note added at 19 mins (2005-10-04 14:12:59 GMT)
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It means the person is the TOp Executive in the Company..Runs the Company but does not sit on the board

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Note added at 22 mins (2005-10-04 14:15:43 GMT)
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It's possible to be a MAnaging Director and not be on the board.

It is impossible to be a Managing Director and be non-executive. That is a contradiction in terms...

The hard part here is that non-executive director is used in the UK to mean Board Members who do not actively participate in the day to day management of the company..

cheers
Selected response from:

Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
Grading comment
Yes, this is what I thought. Thanks for confirming it. I guess there is no "pretty" way of saying it. It was a good debate though!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
5 +6Non-board member Managing Director
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
4Director General
Virginie Lafage
4Non-Executive Chairman (UK)/CEO(US/NAm)
Conor McAuley
5 -1Non-executive Managing Director
Leveleki


Discussion entries: 1





  

Answers


4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Directeur general non administrateur
Director General


Explanation:
Director General non administator

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Note added at 7 mins (2005-10-04 14:01:14 GMT)
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This site may help you:

http://www.torbay-pct.nhs.uk/aboutUs/board/members.htm

Virginie Lafage
France
Local time: 05:00
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
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11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +6
Directeur general non administrateur
Non-board member Managing Director


Explanation:
A PDG is Chairman and Managing Director {UK) and
Chairman and Executive Director (USA)

non-administrateur is not non-executive...the Managing Director is executive if anyone is...

He or she is Not a Member of the board....

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Note added at 18 mins (2005-10-04 14:12:14 GMT)
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It can also be: non-board Director

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Note added at 19 mins (2005-10-04 14:12:59 GMT)
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It means the person is the TOp Executive in the Company..Runs the Company but does not sit on the board

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Note added at 22 mins (2005-10-04 14:15:43 GMT)
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It's possible to be a MAnaging Director and not be on the board.

It is impossible to be a Managing Director and be non-executive. That is a contradiction in terms...

The hard part here is that non-executive director is used in the UK to mean Board Members who do not actively participate in the day to day management of the company..

cheers

Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 441
Grading comment
Yes, this is what I thought. Thanks for confirming it. I guess there is no "pretty" way of saying it. It was a good debate though!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  sets
17 mins
agree  writeaway: yup/managing director who does not have a seat on the board of directors
23 mins
agree  Sylvia Smith: yes, exactly!
40 mins
agree  Anne McKee
43 mins
agree  Gina W: exactly
2 hrs
agree  Bourth (X): Only the French!
2 hrs
  -> Indeed...everyone else puts the bloody MD on the board...:)
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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Directeur general non administrateur
Non-Executive Chairman (UK)/CEO(US/NAm)


Explanation:
http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q="non executive chairman"...

http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q="non executive ceo"&meta...


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Note added at 5 mins (2005-10-04 13:59:18 GMT)
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PDG or DG = Company Chairman / CEO

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Note added at 6 mins (2005-10-04 13:59:53 GMT)
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Except for international organisations (NATO, UN etc), where Director-General is used.

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Note added at 23 mins (2005-10-04 14:16:39 GMT)
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This paradox (ie non-executive) is, I think, due to corporate structures in the US, where Managing Directors/CEOs are not board members.

This provides added control and improved corporate governance - ie there is an executive decision-making level above the CEO.

Please correct me if this is wrong (I'm more familiar with business structures in Irl and the UK), but I've got a feeling it's accurate.

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Note added at 24 mins (2005-10-04 14:17:42 GMT)
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This paradox (ie non-executive) is, I think, due to corporate structures in the US, where Managing Directors/CEOs are not board members.

This provides added control and improved corporate governance - ie there is an executive decision-making level above the CEO.

Please correct me if this is wrong (I'm more familiar with business structures in Irl and the UK), but I've got a feeling it's accurate.

Conor McAuley
France
Local time: 05:00
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 135

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Marian Greenfield
2 mins
  -> Thanks
agree  Elizabeth Slaney: I agree, although its weird to say a non-executive chief executive officer!
4 mins
  -> Thanks - see note added
disagree  Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X): No Conor...this is not right..the DG is Managing Director..and he is very executive, as it were. He or she is just not a Board Member...DG is CEO in the US; Managing Director in the UK
7 mins
  -> See new note
disagree  sets: Agree with Jane, Chairman is "PDG", here we're simply talking about a managing director who is not a member of the Board
20 mins
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17 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
Directeur general non administrateur
Non-executive Managing Director


Explanation:
This is faitly uncommon but it does exist. One has a non-executive Chairman more often.

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Note added at 21 mins (2005-10-04 14:14:53 GMT)
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Reading Jane's note above, I just wanted to add that, in the UK, a non-executive Manging Director can and does exist. It is also worth noting that a non-executive director IS, in actual fact, a member of the Board of Directors of a UK company - as I was on a number of different companies.

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Note added at 25 mins (2005-10-04 14:18:48 GMT)
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Sorry, I meant to say "Non-exectuive Chairman", not MD, does exist. Of course, as Jane says, to say "non-ex MD's would be an anomaly. In this case, I think they must mean Non-ex Chairman" .... except, does a "Chairman", per se, exist in France???

Leveleki
France
Local time: 05:00
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 24

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X): Impossible..a Managing Director is the Top Executive but does not necessarily have to be a member of the board...not to be confused with non-executive member or director of the board. The MD leads the company not the board; that is the Chairman!! :)
3 mins
  -> Oh yes, an MD DOES have to be a member of the Board! Any, and every, director IS a member of the "Board of Directors" and the MD is actually the leader of the BoD.
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