Установить вещный или обязательственный характер правоотношений

English translation: to determine the in rem or in personam characters of legal relations

10:20 Sep 18, 2005
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Russian term or phrase: Установить вещный или обязательственный характер правоотношений
Необходимо установить вещный или обязательственный характер правоотношений между гражданами и номинальными акционерами.
Alexander Kolegov
English translation:to determine the in rem or in personam characters of legal relations
Explanation:
PATRICK STEVEDORES No 2 PTY LIMITED (Formerly known as STRANG ...
... disagreement as to whether the amounts referred to are recoverable against the in
rem fund because it may be argued that they are of an in personam character. ...
http://judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/1997/FD006770.htm
681 F.2d 952, US v. Martino, (CA.5 (Fla.) 1982)
... Focusing on the in personam character of RICO criminal forfeiture, the government
contends in a supplemental letter to this court that it has no obligation ...
www.jurisearch.com/newroot/caselink. asp?series=F.2d&citationno=681+F.2d+952
Yale Law Journal | T. Merrill et al., What Happened to Property in ...
This understanding of the in rem character of the right of property is a dominant
theme of the civil law’s “law of things.” For Anglo-American lawyers and ...
www.yalelawjournal.org/archive_abstract.asp?id=284
[WP] COURT OF APPEALS OF VIRGINIA Present: Judges Willis, Bray and ...
Файлын Формат: Corel WordPerfect 5.1 - HTML хэлбэрээр харах
From the outset, the in rem character of the impoundment distinguishes this
sanction from that in Halper. Halper's balancing also has no place in this case. ...
www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opncavwp/1419951.wp
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Summary of answers provided
5establish PROPRIETORY or CONTRACTUAL nature of legal relations
Iliya Gontmakher
4to establish the practical and/or legal relationship
David Knowles
4to determine the in rem or in personam characters of legal relations
Tsogt Gombosuren
4...to establish an objective and a responsible nature of legal relations ...
TranslatonatoR
3Establish corporeal and executory principles of legal relations
Yuri Kisten


  

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Установить вещный или обязательственный характер правоотношений
Establish corporeal and executory principles of legal relations


Explanation:
Establish corporeal or promissory principles of legal relations

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Note added at 1 hr 24 mins (2005-09-18 11:44:43 GMT)
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В ответе вместо "and" - "or".



Yuri Kisten
Local time: 17:28
Native speaker of: Native in UkrainianUkrainian, Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Dorene Cornwell: This one merits notice for spectactular and comical misuse of adjectves. It evokes this science fiction image of bodies materializing and somehow immediatly facing some kind of obligations. It makes me smile, but I would blue pencil it FAST
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Установить вещный или обязательственный характер правоотношений
to establish the practical and/or legal relationship


Explanation:
It is necessary to establish the practical and legal relationship between citizens and the nominal shareholders.

I think that's what it's about!

David Knowles
Local time: 15:28
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Установить вещный или обязательственный характер правоотношений
to determine the in rem or in personam characters of legal relations


Explanation:
PATRICK STEVEDORES No 2 PTY LIMITED (Formerly known as STRANG ...
... disagreement as to whether the amounts referred to are recoverable against the in
rem fund because it may be argued that they are of an in personam character. ...
http://judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/1997/FD006770.htm
681 F.2d 952, US v. Martino, (CA.5 (Fla.) 1982)
... Focusing on the in personam character of RICO criminal forfeiture, the government
contends in a supplemental letter to this court that it has no obligation ...
www.jurisearch.com/newroot/caselink. asp?series=F.2d&citationno=681+F.2d+952
Yale Law Journal | T. Merrill et al., What Happened to Property in ...
This understanding of the in rem character of the right of property is a dominant
theme of the civil law’s “law of things.” For Anglo-American lawyers and ...
www.yalelawjournal.org/archive_abstract.asp?id=284
[WP] COURT OF APPEALS OF VIRGINIA Present: Judges Willis, Bray and ...
Файлын Формат: Corel WordPerfect 5.1 - HTML хэлбэрээр харах
From the outset, the in rem character of the impoundment distinguishes this
sanction from that in Halper. Halper's balancing also has no place in this case. ...
www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opncavwp/1419951.wp

Tsogt Gombosuren
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Установить вещный или обязательственный характер правоотношений
...to establish an objective and a responsible nature of legal relations ...


Explanation:
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Установить вещный или обязательственный характер правоотношений
establish PROPRIETORY or CONTRACTUAL nature of legal relations


Explanation:
IN REM and IN PERSONAM are old latin terms which are used in academic literature only. Furthermore, IN PERSONAM relations need not necessarily be CONTRACTUAL.

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Note added at 20 hrs 23 mins (2005-09-19 06:44:17 GMT)
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oops, Tsogt is right - "PROPRIETARY"

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Note added at 20 hrs 30 mins (2005-09-19 06:50:51 GMT)
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Google returns 288 hits for "proprietary and contractual" and 6 hits for "proprietaty and obligatory". In common law jurisdictions, "obligatory" is not used as a legal term of art, but the situation may be different in civil law jurisdictions such as Russia.

Iliya Gontmakher
United Kingdom
Local time: 00:28
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Tsogt Gombosuren: proprietAry or obligatory (but not contractual) may work here.
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