é vedada a participação de grupos

English translation: Groups with partisan political views may not participate in this conference

11:31 Aug 27, 2005

Portuguese to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Education / Pedagogy

Portuguese term or phrase: é vedada a participação de grupos

É vedada, a participação de grupos com interesses político-partidários, nesta conferência.

Paola Godinh (X)

English translation:Groups with partisan political views may not participate in this conference

Explanation:
This is an example Paola of why I ask for context.......or UK

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Better: Politically oriented groups may not participate in this conference.

Please note: May not is the same as are forbidden from in this register. We would not say in English are forbidden from. This is a style thing...

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Finally, the correct translation for your other phrase=

politically oriented groups= that is the idea..

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One more thing: May not is as strong here as it required. Shall not here is incorrect English style-wise...

Forbidden is used in situations like: It is forbidden to walk on the grass...= No walking on the Grass...

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Also, you Can USe forbidden but I would not.

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Note added at 5 hrs 13 mins (2005-08-27 16:44:58 GMT)
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Final: after driving around I came up with:

Politically oriented groups are not allowed to participate in the conference.

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So> may not participate or are not allowed to participate

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The difference between To and From is:

If the sentence in question is Performative as defined by Austin, the right preposition is TO..

It is forbidden to walk on the grass.

If the sentence is not performative as defined by Austin, then From is the best answer stylistically.

I don't believe the sentence in Portuguese is Performative.

Groups are forbidden from participating...ie the forbidding is Reported and Not Direct; it is non-performative..

That is the answer and I am my own reference. These things are not to be found in dictionaries. Tney are to be worked out by one's knowledge of a language, linguistics and translation and demonstrated as I have done, I hope to your satifaction...:)

Cheers

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Finally, my translation solution throws out forbidden precisely for these reasons. We are much more apt to say...may not....:)

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Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)

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Summary of answers provided

5 +5

Groups with partisan political views may not participate in this conference

Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)

5 +4

groups are not allowed/forbidden to participate

Luiza Modesto

It is forbidden the participation in this conference of groups with ... interests

António Ribeiro

the participation of partisan political groups is prohibited

airmailrpl

The participation of groups with a vested political or party interest in the conference is forbidden

Paul Dixon

4 -1

The presence of political partisan group in this conference is forbidden/is not allowed.

Clauwolf

Discussion entries: 1

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16 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

é vedada a participação de grupos The presence of political partisan group in this conference is forbidden/is not allowed.

Explanation:
:)

Clauwolf
Local time: 03:09
Native speaker of:

Portuguese
PRO pts in category: 80

59 mins confidence:

é vedada a participação de grupos It is forbidden the participation in this conference of groups with ... interests

Explanation:
Eu diria assim.

António Ribeiro
Local time: 16:09
Native speaker of:

Portuguese
PRO pts in category: 47

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

é vedada a participação de grupos groups are not allowed/forbidden to participate

Explanation:
Groups with political party interests are not allowed/forbidden to participate in this conference.

I feel the word "partisan" is a little strong. It reminds me of "guerrilheiros".

Sadly, most chose to put political party interests ahead of their country, held their noses, and backed a damaged President. ...
www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7149.shtml

... may call into question their political impartiality orgive rise to the complaint that public funds are being used to pay for political party interests. ...
www.transparency.org/sourcebook/06.html

http://www.google.com/search?q="political party interests"&h...

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NIC Conference Report - Federalism in Russia
Party-list voting for the State Duma also tends to unify the country, because regional parties are forbidden to participate. Moreover, the one party with a ...
www.cia.gov/nic/confreports_federalrussia.html

American Embassy Hanoi - Press Release
Although some freedom of worship is permitted, believers are forbidden to participate in religious activities except under circumstances rigidly defined and ...
usembassy.state.gov/posts/vn1/wwwhwf010907.html

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Jane, do a Google search with "forbidden to" and "forbidden from". Then, look up the word forbidden in Webster´s unabridged or any other good dictionary. There is no difference between one and the other. If you insist they are different, please give a reference.

Luiza Modesto
Brazil
Local time: 03:09
Native speaker of:

English,

Portuguese
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

ooooo (X): Concordo com voce Luiza, fica uma tradução bem mais classica..

1 hr

-> Obrigada. :)

agree

Claudio Mazotti

1 hr

-> Obrigada. :)

neutral

Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X): I have provided an explanation for you. And the US Embassy has a stylistic error in its sentence.

1 hr

-> Jane, better get your grammar straight.. ;) unless, of course, the US government doesn´t know grammar..

neutral

Deborah do Carmo: should just watch the Bushisms to see the mess made of English - may not is far more natural in native English//who just happens to head the government you refer to, I rest my case :-)

4 hrs

-> Bush is not a good example. The entire world knows he is dyslexic.

agree

rhandler: Best answer. Some colleagues act like partisans, don't they? Such stance doesn't help the asker and, therefore, "groups are not allowed to participate". Just look around, especially http://www.proz.com/kudoz/1125053

1 day 2 hrs

-> Há pessoas que lêem muito e outras que lêem pouco... As que lêem pouco têm sempre seu vocabulário restrito a meia dúzia de palavras.. ;)

agree

Henrique Magalhaes

1 day 23 hrs

-> Obrigada. :)

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +5

é vedada a participação de grupos

Groups with partisan political views may not participate in this conference

Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
Native speaker of:

English,

Portuguese
PRO pts in category: 72

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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

neutral

Claudio Mazotti: I think "shall not" would be better in this case

58 mins

-> That's where you are wrong. May not=e vedado...just because it is May, does not mean it is not correct here!

agree

Deborah do Carmo: may not in English is far stronger than people think or understand//"it is forbidden" is a nonogogo// to Luiza: so lay eggs, they STILL won't be native English speaking ones will they? - if something is intuitive, so be it, learn from it don't begrudge it

3 hrs

-> Thanx Deborah...

agree

jrb

3 hrs

-> Thanx Jessica

neutral

Luiza Modesto: Jane, I can say dogs lay eggs and be my own reference, but that does not validate my statement. Look up “compare with” and “compare to”. When there are differences, grammar books and dictionaries state them.

5 hrs

-> First of all, "Dogs lay eggs" is a perfect English sentence..and my explanation is a response to your question. And I have the right to work things out for myself. And I am explaining something not validating it. You can choose not to agree. That's fine.

agree

Sormane Gomes

6 hrs

-> Thanx Sormane..:)

agree

Lumen (X)

6 hrs

-> Thanx Lumen

agree

Isabel Remelgado

1 day 22 hrs

1 day 15 hrs confidence:

é vedada a participação de grupos the participation of partisan political groups is prohibited

Explanation:
É vedada, a participação de grupos com interesses político-partidários => the participation of partisan political groups is prohibited

airmailrpl
Brazil
Local time: 03:09
Native speaker of:

English,

Portuguese
PRO pts in category: 60

2 days 3 hrs confidence:

é vedada a participação de grupos The participation of groups with a vested political or party interest in the conference is forbidden

Explanation:
This is my suggestion.

Paul Dixon
Brazil
Local time: 03:09
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Portuguese
PRO pts in category: 38

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