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sous sa responsabilité

English translation: independently

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French term or phrase:sous sa responsabilité
English translation:independently
Entered by: Stéphanie Soudais

17:04 Aug 13, 2005
French to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general) / Statuts
French term or phrase: sous sa responsabilité
I know there are two other previous KudoZ questions for this phrase but I am not sure whether or not either one actually fits here:

un commissaire aux apports désigné par décision de justice à la demande du président à l'assemblée d'actionnaires, apprécie sous sa responsabilité l'évaluation des apports en nature ou des avantages particuliers.
Gina W
United States
Local time: 18:40
independently
Explanation:
As df49f has pointed out, the valuer's/assessor's job is to assess the fairness (or otherwise) of a previously arrived at valuation. This valuation is (probably) an implied one: e.g. for a contribution in kind, the valuer/assessor has to say whether he thinks X shares in company A is fair exchange for Y shares in company B.

So, the valuer (which incidentally is the translation given by the Council of Europe legal dict.)...independently assesses the valuation of contribs in kind or....(and for that, we have to wait for the other question, although by now, specific benefits doesn't seem unreasonable)
Selected response from:

Charlie Bavington
Local time: 23:40
Grading comment
Merci:)
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
5 +1evaluates [the capital contributions or whatever] for which he is responsible.
Jane Lamb-Ru (X)
5 -1at his own risk
ILA
4Is responsible for appraising/estimating/judging
Anna Maria Augustine (X)
3takes sole responsibility for assessing...
sporran
3independently
Charlie Bavington


Discussion entries: 4





  

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11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
at his own risk


Explanation:
under his own responsibility, any of the two expressions will do in this context

ILA
Local time: 23:40
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  df49f (X): at his own risk is absolutely not equivalent to "sous sa responsabilité"
28 mins
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
sous sa responsabilité (in this context)
takes sole responsibility for assessing...


Explanation:
another suggestion

sporran
France
Local time: 00:40
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  df49f (X): or has/shall have/shall be (solely) responsible for ... - and of course, unlike suggested elsewhere, it is absolutely necessary to translate the "évaluation des contributions...", because what the man assesses/apprécie is precisely that "évaluation"
21 mins
  -> thanks df49f !
disagree  Jane Lamb-Ru (X): it says nothing about sole responsibility..that is responsabilité exclusive...this is wrong
4 hrs
  -> thanks Jane, but I feel it's implied, but full responsibilty would work too
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
sous sa responsabilité (in this context)
Is responsible for appraising/estimating/judging


Explanation:
and with this there's no need to translate l'évaluation as it's already in the word appraising/appraisal

Anna Maria Augustine (X)
France
Local time: 00:40
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 98
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
sous sa responsabilité (in this context)
evaluates [the capital contributions or whatever] for which he is responsible.


Explanation:
:)

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Note added at 6 hrs 2 mins (2005-08-13 23:07:22 GMT)
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Translation:
A contributions [assessor] appointed legally by request of the chairman to the shareholders shall provide an opinion on the valuation of contributions in kind and specific benefits under his responsibility.

evaluation= Valuation of these things for accounting




Please note: commissaire is probably not commissioner in a company..



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Note added at 6 hrs 4 mins (2005-08-13 23:09:01 GMT)
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please note: the point is these Amounts are given a Value and this person has to decide if they are right or not...

Jane Lamb-Ru (X)
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 20

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  df49f (X): the guy is in charge of assessing/double-checking the (previously-made) valuation of the contirbutions in kind// ok then, let's leave out the "sole" :-)
49 mins
  -> I translated the whole thing because I became angry at this..this is not sole responsibility at all...the French does not say that..and the question was only about that phrase and not the rest
agree  Vicky Papaprodromou
18 hrs
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
sous sa responsabilité (in this context)
independently


Explanation:
As df49f has pointed out, the valuer's/assessor's job is to assess the fairness (or otherwise) of a previously arrived at valuation. This valuation is (probably) an implied one: e.g. for a contribution in kind, the valuer/assessor has to say whether he thinks X shares in company A is fair exchange for Y shares in company B.

So, the valuer (which incidentally is the translation given by the Council of Europe legal dict.)...independently assesses the valuation of contribs in kind or....(and for that, we have to wait for the other question, although by now, specific benefits doesn't seem unreasonable)

Charlie Bavington
Local time: 23:40
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 97
Grading comment
Merci:)
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