vowel points and consonant points

English translation: The writing on the stones is at least 1000 years old

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English term or phrase:vowel points and consonant points
Selected answer:The writing on the stones is at least 1000 years old
Entered by: humbird

14:41 Jun 9, 2005
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Art/Literary - History
English term or phrase: vowel points and consonant points
I need to understand following sentence. Is the author saying which one is missing from the stone? Both? No it cannot be because then there will be no sentences.
My understanding is that in most ancient letters they did not express vowels... one of the reasons of my confusion.
"For the past 1000 years or so, Hebrew has most commonly been written with vowel points and consonant points that are missing on both stones" is entire sentence.
humbird
The writing on the stones is at least 1000 years old
Explanation:
What the sentence tells you (not in so many words) is that both stones are inscribed with some Hebrew text. There are neither vowel points nor consonant points in this text. Unless this is an exception (see: “commonly”), and if we assume that Hebrew has been written with such points “for the past 1000 years”, as the author of this sentence says, then the writing on both stones is older than 1000 years (or was older than 1000 years when this statement was made). The stones themselves have to be much older.
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Nick Lingris
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Although Rita is most helpful in academic aspect of the matter, Nick's answer is to the point to my inquiry. Yes I am guilty as Rita pointed out that this is not a translation question. Thank you everybody!
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4 +4diacritic marks
RHELLER
3 +1it means to say that
Valentin Alupoaie
4The writing on the stones is at least 1000 years old
Nick Lingris


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it means to say that


Explanation:
"For the past 1000 years or so, Hebrew has most commonly been written with vowel points and consonant points, but these are missing on both stones"

vowel point=a mark placed below or near a consonant (as in Hebrew or Arabic) to indicate the spoken vowel
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn2.1

Valentin Alupoaie
Romania
Local time: 03:45
Native speaker of: Native in RomanianRomanian

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agree  Johan Venter: I learnt how to read Hebrew when I was in Israel and it is quite hard to pronounce some words I don't know if the vowel points are not used.
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diacritic marks


Explanation:
this is not a translation question - informational

Vowels can also be represented in Hebrew by vowel points, technically known as 'diacritic marks,' made up of dots and little lines. Just as letters are the written symbols of all the Hebrew consonants and some vowels, so the vowel points are written symbols of all the vowels

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Note added at 8 hrs 41 mins (2005-06-09 23:22:54 GMT)
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http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Hebrew-language

Writing system
Modern Hebrew is written from right to left using the Hebrew alphabet. Modern scripts are based on the \"square\" letter form. A similar system is used in handwriting, but the letters tend to be more circular in their character, and sometimes vary markedly from their printed equivalents. Biblical Hebrew text contains nothing but consonants and spaces, and most modern Hebrew texts contain only consonants, spaces and western-style punctuation. A pointing system developed around the 5th Century C.E. is used to indicate vowels and syllabic stresses in some religious books, and is almost always found in modern poetry, children\'s literature, and texts for beginning students of Hebrew. The system is also used sparingly to avoid certain ambiguities of meaning — such as when context is insufficient to distinguish between two identically spelled words — and in the transliteration of foreign names. Note: This article contains special characters. ... Punctuation marks are written symbols that do not correspond to either phonemes (sounds) of a spoken language nor to lexemes (words and phrases) of a written language, but which serve to organize or clarify written language. ...



    Reference: http://www.shemayisrael.co.il/parsha/klarberg/archives/nitza...
RHELLER
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Aisha Maniar: yes, or just diacriticals
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  -> thanks Aisha :-)

agree  jennifer newsome (X)
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  -> thanks Jennifer :-)

agree  Nanny Wintjens
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agree  Alfa Trans (X)
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The writing on the stones is at least 1000 years old


Explanation:
What the sentence tells you (not in so many words) is that both stones are inscribed with some Hebrew text. There are neither vowel points nor consonant points in this text. Unless this is an exception (see: “commonly”), and if we assume that Hebrew has been written with such points “for the past 1000 years”, as the author of this sentence says, then the writing on both stones is older than 1000 years (or was older than 1000 years when this statement was made). The stones themselves have to be much older.

Nick Lingris
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:45
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GreekGreek
PRO pts in category: 11
Grading comment
Although Rita is most helpful in academic aspect of the matter, Nick's answer is to the point to my inquiry. Yes I am guilty as Rita pointed out that this is not a translation question. Thank you everybody!
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