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The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016
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Lingua 5B  Identity Verified
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Need to consider culture, history, development, technology, etc. Oct 13, 2016

Annamaria Amik wrote:

Lingua 5B wrote:
They obviously needed to focus on a new form of expression in reference to the prize, to have something new and fresh.


Of course, but lately this trend of "new forms of expression" has become so dominant that slowly the traditional forms will be the unusual and out-of-the-ordinary forms. Soon a writer who dares ignore genre-mixing will not be heard.

Just one example: one can barely find a trendy/bestselling author who writes conventional narratives these days. Nowadays everyone must experiment with multiple point-of-view storytelling. The more talented authors manage to create different voices (David Mitchell is a perfect example and everything he writes is a sheer delight), but most of them are just polyphonies by name.
Although, this may just be a reflection of how society has changed, there is no longer a major, mainstream narrative of life, no set values, etc.


Of course, life and culture are dynamic, not static. As an example, my old literature teacher comes from a family of literary experts but his son is - guess what, a movie director. Need to put yourself in the context of modern generation, otherwise you are just losing the pace. You can still be expressive, poetic/lyrical, etc even in movies.

Let's see a man whose thinking had been shaped by music, guitar, stage, modern culture. Instead of just reading pure texts and books.

If you want straight tradition, then the authors should produce their pieces on paper, not on computers.


 

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:-) Oct 13, 2016

ILAN RUBIN wrote:

Maybe Shakespeare should get a Grammy then?



I hear he's been nominated for a MOBO


 

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Shakespeare. Oct 13, 2016

If he were alive today, not difficult to guess what he would be. A movie producer. Just put his personality in a new historical and technological context, and you have it.

 

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Literature is not a synonym for culture Oct 13, 2016

Lingua 5B wrote:

Of course, life and culture are dynamic, not static.
Need to put yourself in the context of modern generation, otherwise you are just losing the pace. You can still be expressive, poetic/lyrical, etc even in movies.

Let's see a man whose thinking had been shaped by music, guitar, stage, modern culture. Instead of just reading pure texts and books.

If you want straight tradition, then the authors should produce their pieces on paper, not on computers.


Of course, you can combine forms of expression, but this prize is for literature, not for culture. According to its creator's intent: one part to the person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work in an ideal direction ...
I'm sure Alfred Nobel wasn't thinking of other fields when he said "an ideal direction". Bob Dylan did not create the most outstanding work in the field of literature, but probably in the field of music. His contribution would have gone unnoticed if he hadn't been a singer and hadn't used music to convey his message ("contribution").

You can't dilute the various fields of culture into a syncretic shapeless amoeba, with no rules, that becomes slowly detached from its roots. Innovation is not possible without the "tradition" that has preceded it.

You can create poetry even in cooking. Perhaps next year an extraordinary pastry chef or even better - as it has to do at least something with writing - a food critic will be awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature...

[Edited at 2016-10-13 14:57 GMT]


 

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Not really, + overanalysing. Oct 13, 2016

Annamaria Amik wrote:

Lingua 5B wrote:

Of course, life and culture are dynamic, not static.
Need to put yourself in the context of modern generation, otherwise you are just losing the pace. You can still be expressive, poetic/lyrical, etc even in movies.

Let's see a man whose thinking had been shaped by music, guitar, stage, modern culture. Instead of just reading pure texts and books.

If you want straight tradition, then the authors should produce their pieces on paper, not on computers.


Of course, you can combine forms of expression, but this prize is for literature, not for culture. According to its creator's intent: one part to the person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work in an ideal direction ...
I'm sure Alfred Nobel wasn't thinking of other fields when he said "an ideal direction". Bob Dylan did not create the most outstanding work in the field of literature, but probably in the field of music. His contribution would have gone unnoticed if he hadn't been a singer and hadn't used music to convey his message ("contribution").

You can't dilute the various fields of culture into a syncretic shapeless amoeba, with no rules, that becomes slowly detached from its roots. Innovation is not possible without the "tradition" that has preceded it.

You can create poetry even in cooking. Perhaps next year an extraordinary pastry chef or even better - as it has to do at least something with writing - a food critic will be awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature...

[Edited at 2016-10-13 14:57 GMT]


The focus is on his lyrics, not on his singing. And how is it not a poetry form? Lyrics can be very, very poetic. You may use his lyrics in writing and just read them without a stage and music, then see for yourself.

There was something before official literature. Folk tradition, tales, or just purely life, can you imagine that?


 

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Poor Gabo... Oct 13, 2016

Annamaria Amik wrote:

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/2016/press.html

Bob Dylan
The Nobel Prize in Literature for 2016 is awarded to Bob Dylan
"for having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition".


How does Bob Dylan compare to, say, Gabriel García Márquez? No, don't answer, please. This is not a question....


 

Dan Lucas  Identity Verified
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Could film contain him? Oct 13, 2016

Lingua 5B wrote:
If he were alive today, not difficult to guess what he would be. A movie producer. Just put his personality in a new historical and technological context, and you have it.

I saw King Lear live from the RSC last night. Whatever my reservations about the production, it's still a play with real power. I'm not sure Shakespeare would have found film the right medium for him...

Dan


 

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Literature Oct 14, 2016

Basically, literature can be "translated" as creative writing. In this sense, Bob Dylan does deserve the prize for his great and creative lyrics.

 

Tom in London
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No honours Oct 15, 2016

The giving out of honours and prizes is invidious. None should ever be given to anyone, for anything. It's a form of discrimination that has no place in a modern society of millions of equally able, equally deserving people.

 

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Well, of course Oct 15, 2016

Lingua 5B wrote:


The focus is on his lyrics, not on his singing. And how is it not a poetry form? Lyrics can be very, very poetic. You may use his lyrics in writing and just read them without a stage and music, then see for yourself.



I'm really surprised at how many people (even intelligent) insist on his singing which has obviously nothing to do with the Nobel, which has been awarded for his lyrics, (words with music), which to me, but not only are a new expression of poetry.


 

Angie Garbarino  Identity Verified
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Totally disagree with you Oct 15, 2016

Annamaria Amik wrote:

I'm sure Alfred Nobel wasn't thinking of other fields when he said "an ideal direction". Bob Dylan did not create the most outstanding work in the field of literature, but probably in the field of music.


No, it is not another field, it is not for his music, his lyrics are poems and are outstanding.

Like Tayenga said "literature can be "translated" as creative writing",


 

Tom in London
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24 hours later Oct 16, 2016

24 hours later: that was yesterday. Nobody cares any more. The thing about the news is: it has to be **new**. Today you have been fed something else to care about. Until tomorrow.

I recommend ignoring the news as much as possible. Here's a selection of all the things you don't need to worry about today: http://www.independent.co.uk

[Edited at 2016-10-16 10:31 GMT]


 

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How strange... Oct 16, 2016

... and a little sad that some would fail to see this as a celebration of an individual's wonderful contribution to poetry, but instead an opportunity to complain and criticise.

 

Anthony Keily
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I think.. Oct 17, 2016

... they should have given it to the Ramones. Bob Dylan is so snooty.

 

Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL  Identity Verified
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lyrics = poetry = literature Oct 17, 2016

if we accept this premise, then there is nothing wrong with assigning the Nobel Prize to Bob Dylan... if you don't like Dylan, his songs or his lyrics, well, this is a completely different kettle of fish and we can discuss this ad nauseam...

[Edited at 2016-10-17 12:00 GMT]


 
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