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clearwater
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Mar 19, 2010

近日在看一本翻译书。作者认为,在下面的对话翻译中 ,有一处是错误的。说实话,不看这本书,我真挑不出翻译上有什么大的问题。不知各位有何看法。

Do you think all the programs are good?

你认为所有的节目都很好吗?

Some of the progams are interesting. But others could be better.

其中一些节目很有趣。其他一些节目可以演得更好一些。


“答案”会在近日揭晓^_^


[Edited at 2010-03-19 01:03 GMT]

[Edited at 2010-03-19 02:25 GMT]


 

nigerose  Identity Verified
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better Mar 19, 2010

问题应该在better上。等答案。

 

lbone  Identity Verified
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英文有点问题,从语意看应该是一个句子,中间应该用个逗号 -> , but Mar 19, 2010

中文也整成一个句子语意上也顺些 -> ,而其他...
至于could be better,前面有一个but,恐怕要公说公有理,婆说婆有理了。

[Edited at 2010-03-19 05:09 GMT]


 

ysun  Identity Verified
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后半句宜使用虚拟语气 Mar 19, 2010

意为其它某些节目不怎么样。
Some of the programs are interesting, but others could have been better.


[Edited at 2010-03-19 06:30 GMT]


 

clearwater
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补充说明 Mar 19, 2010

这是个英译汉习题,所以大家可以不用去管英文原文有无错误,就当是对的。

我关心的着眼点是汉译部分。

[Edited at 2010-03-19 06:13 GMT]


 

nigerose  Identity Verified
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不迷糊 Mar 19, 2010

不迷糊。只是could的多种词义用法中的一种而已。

 

wherestip  Identity Verified
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意思不准确 Mar 19, 2010

clearwater wrote:

这是个英译汉习题,所以大家可以不用去管英文原文有无错误,就当是对的。

我关心的着眼点是汉译部分。


英文原话这样讲, 一般并不限于演员的演技.

"but others could be better" could refer to any number of aspects of the programing, especially the content of some of the programs.

所以加 "演得" 一词意思走样了.


 

ysun  Identity Verified
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同意 Mar 19, 2010

wherestip wrote:

clearwater wrote:

这是个英译汉习题,所以大家可以不用去管英文原文有无错误,就当是对的。

我关心的着眼点是汉译部分。


英文原话这样讲, 一般并不限于演员的演技.

"but others could be better" could refer to any number of aspects of the programing, especially the content of some of the programs.

所以加 "演得" 一词意思走样了.

另一些节目也可能非常 boring,但演员仍演得非常好。


 

pkchan  Identity Verified
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progams & interesting Mar 19, 2010

progams 不一定就是“節目”,
interesting 也不限於“有趣”


 

Jiantao Lu  Identity Verified
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应该是只看了其中一些节目 Mar 19, 2010

But others could be better.
但其他那些也许更有意思。


 

wherestip  Identity Verified
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原文 Mar 19, 2010

Jiantao Lu wrote:

But others could be better.
但其他那些也许更有意思。


No, no. That's not what the English means.

The implied long response to the question would be something like this: while some of the programs were interesting, some of the other programs were not(that/as interesting), and could have been better than the way they actually turned out to be.

It's a nice way of saying these other programs were subpar -- 中文俗话就是"差劲儿"

其实中文的意思就是 "有的节目挺令人感兴趣的, 但其它的不怎么样" -- Yueyin 说的一点不差.


[Edited at 2010-03-19 18:51 GMT]


 

clearwater
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换一种说法而已。 Mar 20, 2010

谢谢诸位!

该书的作者认为,“其他一些节目可以演得更好一些”不对,应改成“其他一些节目演得不够好”。

但我觉得原译也不错啊,事实上表达更加委婉含蓄,但并不影响我们受众的理解:“可以演得更好一些”,说白了,实为隐指“演得不够好”。为什么就认为这种译法是错误的呢。

至今仍未想透。


 

nigerose  Identity Verified
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Mar 20, 2010

wherestip wrote:

Jiantao Lu wrote:

But others could be better.
但其他那些也许更有意思。


No, no. That's not what the English means.

The implied long response to the question would be something like this: while some of the programs were interesting, some of the other programs were not(that/as interesting), and could have been better than the way they actually turned out to be.

It's a nice way of saying these other programs were subpar -- 中文俗话就是"差劲儿"

其实中文的意思就是 "有的节目挺令人感兴趣的, 但其它的不怎么样" -- Yueyin 说的一点不差.


[Edited at 2010-03-19 18:51 GMT]



better的词义还是“更好”,但由于比较的参照系不同,翻译中就不能翻译成“更好”。

还有形容词比较级,根据比较的参照系,有时候要翻译成“更...的”,有时候要翻译成“较...的”。


 

nigerose  Identity Verified
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好,更好 Mar 20, 2010

clearwater wrote:

谢谢诸位!

该书的作者认为,“其他一些节目可以演得更好一些”不对,应改成“其他一些节目演得不够好”。

但我觉得原译也不错啊,事实上表达更加委婉含蓄,但并不影响我们受众的理解:“可以演得更好一些”,说白了,实为隐指“演得不够好”。为什么就认为这种译法是错误的呢。

至今仍未想透。


“其他一些节目可以演得更好一些”也可以理解为:其他一些节目也很有趣,也很好,但还可以百尺竿头,更进一步。
与原文的意思相反。


 

ysun  Identity Verified
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委婉的否定 Mar 20, 2010

clearwater wrote:

换一种说法而已。

谢谢诸位!

该书的作者认为,“其他一些节目可以演得更好一些”不对,应改成“其他一些节目演得不够好”。

但我觉得原译也不错啊,事实上表达更加委婉含蓄,但并不影响我们受众的理解:“可以演得更好一些”,说白了,实为隐指“演得不够好”。为什么就认为这种译法是错误的呢。

至今仍未想透。

不只是“换一种说法而已”,也不一定是“演得不够好”的问题。这是一种委婉的否定。正如 Steve 所说:
wherestip wrote:

It's a nice way of saying these other programs were subpar -- 中文俗话就是"差劲儿"

其实中文的意思就是 "有的节目挺令人感兴趣的, 但其它的不怎么样".

这个“差劲儿”、“不怎么样”,不一定是指演得不好。例如,也可能演员演得很到位,但剧情 "not interesting",使人昏昏欲睡。

这个问题之所以使人感到困惑,那是因为连作者自己也没搞清问题的症结,故在原文里用了 "could be better”。正确的英语说法应该是 "could have been better” 或 "should have been better”。这也是一种虚拟语气。


[Edited at 2010-03-20 06:12 GMT]


 
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