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wherestip  Identity Verified
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顾名思义 May 24, 2009

Lesley,

Sorry to say that I'm not really into Chinese martial arts. But I did find this video clip that demonstrates what a "鹞子翻身" looks like and how it should be executed ... at least in this particular school of the art form.

http://www.56.com/u47/v_MTc3ODAxNzI.html

I'm not sure how the expression applies to swinging across a ravine either. The e
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Lesley,

Sorry to say that I'm not really into Chinese martial arts. But I did find this video clip that demonstrates what a "鹞子翻身" looks like and how it should be executed ... at least in this particular school of the art form.

http://www.56.com/u47/v_MTc3ODAxNzI.html

I'm not sure how the expression applies to swinging across a ravine either. The explanation given in one of the previous Hua Shan links says it refers to how one has to maneuver one's body by twisting and turning to get a good footing in the cavities chiselled into the cliff walls, while basically being suspended in mid-air grasping onto some steel chains. But in this case, I guess it refers to a 180-degree spin midair as one swings across the ravine like Tarzan. I imagine one has to face the right way approaching the other side

Here's another explanation of what is considered 鹞子翻身 in martial arts ...

http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/37438412.html



Q: 武术中的鹞子翻身和鲤鱼打挺有何区别?

A: 所谓鲤鱼打挺,是指人身体平躺下,高举双腿后突然迅速发力,双脚着地,最后让身体完全直立起来。也可用双手同时撑地同时发力。这个动作讲究腰腹肌肉的力量和身体协调性,以及惯性的掌握,要通过练习才能做到。
鹞子翻身则是在身体凌空的情况下,转身或翻身,动作复杂多变,对身体的整体协调要求较高。
以上两个动作在实战中都可以使用,相对而言鹞子翻身比鲤鱼打挺更难。





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bridges; tramping/hiking, etc; rope-swings May 24, 2009

'转身或翻身' -> ?
that climbing-business with the chains at Huashan, looks a bit like a climbing-wall ...
well, never mind the acrobatics, a certain amount of agility and balance is a good thing, even for clambering over rocks or negotiating stepping-stones ...

lai an wrote:
[另外,我认为‘ 索桥’ might be known as a 'swing bridge' in NZ (and 'cable bridge/suspension bridge' elsewhere): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOZhECMnn8E&feature=channel
Routeburn bridge on a misty autum day ]

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Back to bridges, I do think perhaps the 'swing-bridge' cable needs to be 'tensioned' ...
https://www.allposters.co.uk/-sp/Historic-Swing-Bridge-Over-Glacier-River-Fox-Glacier-Westland-South-Island-New-Zealand-Posters_i2673604_.htm

I don't know whether the Chinese 'chain-bridges' were/are (?) ... :
1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luding_Bridge#Recent_additions
"At Luding Bridge, a local blacksmith gave ... the following account:" ... I take my hat off to the ... soldiers who crawled on the chains. My father and I did it in the old days when we checked the bridge, but we were inside a basket. Those men were brave. They crossed very quickly." " ... the Red Army cut through four of the bridge's nine chains ... "
2 'we were inside a basket'? - what is this? ...

[ Excerpt from the story of The Long March (this text is a pleasure to translate) 'The countless impregnable passes and narrow defiles on the advance could not hold back the Red Army with their high revolutionary ideals. They were all dauntless fellows, and the trials of a long journey were of no consequence. At the rushing billowing, heavily guarded Dadu River, the illustrious names of eighteen warriors were left behind; at the year-round snow-bound Great Snowy Mountains with their thin air, the Red Army crossed just like a torrent of steel; in the wild miry Great Grasslands with their changeable climate, when the heroic fighters fell down their hands were still facing forward; and the Red Army women fighters with their indomitable morale, climbed over the ice and slept in the snow, and marched and fought, going forward courageously just like the men.' (Translated from 'The all-conquering iron stream' in Wang Yong Kuan et al., Native land, China Youth Press, Beijing, 1983)]

Tramping/hiking; tracks/trails; where to sleep:
http://www.backpack-newzealand.com/nz/article12.php
Huts, shelters and 'bivvies' ( = bivouacs); hut etiquette
http://tramper.co.nz/?1673 Borland Shelter ... : The Borland Shelter... is a basic road-end A-frame shelter ... has no facilities apart from 3 beds ... a handy base for the night allowing an early start ... can also be used as part of a circuit ...

[Songz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNP5yqg7hc
Cliff Richard - Summer Holiday + lyrics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UZjJj9Einw&feature=related
Bee gees - Holiday ( Festival Hall 1971 live )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=OCjYvYC9rsc&feature=related
Andy Gibb and Friends - Holiday + lyrics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wy_w7OlAMc&feature=related
FRANK WEIR & CHORUS SING "THE HAPPY WANDERER"]

[ Search on 'rope swings' here, for rope-swings at the river/beach, etc: http://www.photonewzealand.co.nz/ ]

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"spiral" May 24, 2009

Lesley,

I just thought of this spectacular solo dance scene in the movie "House of Flying Daggers" , 中文名 《十面埋伏》.

In this video clip, you can see 章子怡(or is it a stuntwoman?) perform "鹞子翻身" several times in a row from time 2:21 to 2:30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6i0ima_H5c

(same clip at 土豆网)
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Lesley,

I just thought of this spectacular solo dance scene in the movie "House of Flying Daggers" , 中文名 《十面埋伏》.

In this video clip, you can see 章子怡(or is it a stuntwoman?) perform "鹞子翻身" several times in a row from time 2:21 to 2:30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6i0ima_H5c

(same clip at 土豆网)
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/LYkdQLok0_4



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historic landmark May 24, 2009

lai an wrote:

'转身或翻身' -> ?
that climbing-business with the chains at Huashan, looks a bit like a climbing-wall ...
well, never mind the acrobatics, a certain amount of agility and balance is a good thing, even for clambering over rocks or negotiating stepping-stones ...



Lesley,

I guess the fancy names can't always be taken too literally, like "仙人桥", "千尺幢", "鹞子翻身", etc. IMO names like these are by and large only impressionistic, and moreover, are meant to impress.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

lai an wrote:

I don't know whether the Chinese 'chain-bridges' were/are (?) ... :
1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luding_Bridge#Recent_additions



That picture of 泸定桥 shown on its wiki page is present day. Jeans and sneakers, and also big red banners(or is it a red billboard?) visible in the background certainly don't spell 1935. According to the photographer, Rolf Müller, the photo was taken on 4/23/2006.

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Luding_bridge.jpg

Here's more info about 大渡河泸定桥 ...
http://www.tibetinfor.com/t/040513zggz/..\040513zggz/200402004514112111.htm
http://www.dreams-travel.com/sc/sc_hlg/yt_3ld.asp?lmtop=yt_3ld

http://news.xinhuanet.com/ziliao/2003-09/02/content_1058368.htm


七律·长征

毛泽东 一九三五年十月


红军不怕远征难,
万水千山只等闲。
五岭逶迤腾细浪,
乌蒙磅礴走泥丸。
金沙水拍云崖暖,
大渡桥横铁索寒。
更喜岷山千里雪,
三军过后尽开颜。





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tumbling etc; road/rail maintenance etc; spirals/coils etc May 25, 2009

【Hm. I knew there was one mistake ...
‘由中锋北下,行约二里多路,便是幽静的北峰。锋头由庙 ...’ -> ‘由主峰北下,行约二里多路,便是幽静的北峰。峰头有庙 ...’ too many slip-ups ... BTW 华山‘千尺幢’的 幢 has a 山字旁 radical in my text ... 】

That clip of Zhang Ziyi in House of Daggers was brilliant. I thought it was 'a cart-wheel', but it isn't. From what I read, "鹞子翻身" is quite difficult to do. ... See more
【Hm. I knew there was one mistake ...
‘由中锋北下,行约二里多路,便是幽静的北峰。锋头由庙 ...’ -> ‘由主峰北下,行约二里多路,便是幽静的北峰。峰头有庙 ...’ too many slip-ups ... BTW 华山‘千尺幢’的 幢 has a 山字旁 radical in my text ... 】

That clip of Zhang Ziyi in House of Daggers was brilliant. I thought it was 'a cart-wheel', but it isn't. From what I read, "鹞子翻身" is quite difficult to do.

'the basket', and the Luding Bridge 泸定桥 - I guess the maintenance people were standing or sitting in the basket, and not actually inside it ... It reminds me a little of railway maintenance 'jiggers' ... and the rigs (those hanging platforms) that window cleaners use ...
[photos of jiggers:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nationallibrarynz_commons/3056669963/
http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=singleimage&handle=pincollector1&number=137&album_id=59&thumbstart=0&gallery= ]

As for spirals, well ... conch shells and whelks and the Raurimu Spiral come to mind ... and Liupanshan, hairpin bends ... and panyang sheep ... (mustn't forget the sheep ...)
'coils'. Man, there are coils of fencing wire, and cable and ... 'bracken fern' (you can cut it and put a sack over it and sleep on it actually, so I have been told ...). Here's the fern 'koru', if you are interested ... http://www.virtualoceania.net/newzealand/photos/flora/koru/

[ Sample translation about the 'panyang': 'The argali (panyang), also called the big-head sheep (datouyang), is a large wild sheep, which lives in alpine crags or sparse scrubby grassland. ... This wild sheep is called the big-head coil sheep because of the spiral coils on each side of its head. ...' (Gansu Tourist Guide)
Sample translation about bracken fern: 'Juecai (brake), also known as 'foshou' (Buddha's-hand), has a strong thick stem, is green, and is classed as a wild herbaceous plant. ... The "Compendium of Materia Medica" records: "Bracken is everywhere in the hills, appearing in the second and third month, curled up looking like a small child's fist, but growing unfurling like a phoenix' tail, standing three and four chi high". ...' (Gansu Tourist Guide) ]
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raurimu_Spiral a single-track railway spiral ... on the North Island Main Trunk Railway. ... ]

Steve, re: track safety etc, you might be interested in this:
http://tramper.co.nz/?2707 Warnings; Track grades

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Landmarks: 会宁会师, 长征 The Long March; Lanzhou: Yellow River crossing/bridge May 27, 2009

'In October 1936, the Red Army's three great main forces, the First, Second and Fourth Front Armies joined forces at Huining in Gansu, and victoriously brought the Long March to an end.'

Well, I was very impressed to see these three videos:
http://www.56.com/u87/v_MjMxNTAwNjA.html
会宁会师圣地简介
The army crossed the Yellow River in Huining County somewher
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'In October 1936, the Red Army's three great main forces, the First, Second and Fourth Front Armies joined forces at Huining in Gansu, and victoriously brought the Long March to an end.'

Well, I was very impressed to see these three videos:
http://www.56.com/u87/v_MjMxNTAwNjA.html
会宁会师圣地简介
The army crossed the Yellow River in Huining County somewhere.

Silk Route: But where did the Silk Route cross the Yellow River. At Lanzhou? There was a pontoon bridge there for years. It can't have been very convenient. Perhaps there was a ferry ...

Here's the information about the Ming Dynasty pontoon bridge:
'According to historical records, from the Ming Dynasty onwards there were many tentative plans to build a bridge across the Yellow River. In the fifth year of Ming Hong Wu (1372 AD) the senior general, Feng Sheng Feng, ordered the recovery of Hexi and the commander in charge of defence and resistance, Zhao Xiang, built a floating bridge at a place around seven li west of the city. In the ninth year of Ming Hong Wu, (1376 AD), when the Commander-in-chief of national security, Deng Yu and his men secured the area, they moved an ancient floating bridge into place at a position about ten li west of the city to facilitate communications. In the eighteenth year of Ming Hong Wu (1385 AD), the Commander in charge of protection of Lanzhou, Yang Lian Gai, put a floating bridge in place in the north of the city, below Baitashan. Made of twenty-four large boats lashed together, the pontoon bridge on the river was called the Zhenyuan Bridge. Even now there still remains an iron pillar weighing a number of tons and about a zhang in length, from the cast pontoon bridge constructed when Commander-in-Chief Deng Yu and his men went to Hexi and Xining in 1376 AD. On it is cast "In the ninth year of Hong Wu, sui ci nei chen , on an auspicious day in the eighth month, all the officers and men defending national security constructed this pillar at the south of the pontoon bridge, and fastened to it an iron cable of one hundred and twenty zhang". The bridge would be dismantled every year when the Yellow River froze over. ...
(translated from 'Yellow River Number One Bridge' in Duan, Qi & Li eds., Gansu Tourist Guide (1982), China Tourism Publishing House, Beijing'

[Steve, Yueyin: You might be interested to know about how today's iron bridge was built. Apparently, it wasn't very satisfactory. Do you know the names of the foreign contractors?:

'In the thirty-third year of the Guang Xu Emperor (1907 AD), the Qing Government, on the advice of the Lanzhou dao 's Peng Ying Jia, and with the help and support of the Gansu Governor, Sheng Yun, used 306,691.98498 liang of silver from the state treasury to reconstruct the Zhenyuan bridge as an iron bridge, seventy zhang long, and two zhang two chi four cun wide. The construction was contracted to Kayousi of the German businesshouse, Tailai Yanghang . The American, Manbaoben, and the German, Deluo, did the design work and project direction.

When the iron bridge was being contracted out, Kayousi guaranteed that it would be structurally sound for eighty years, however, later on, before the end of the guarantee period had been reached, whenever carts, horses and foot traffic went across it, the bridge swayed about and was unstable. ... ']
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George of the Jungle; Cartoon Tarzan Jun 2, 2009

wherestip wrote:
But in this case, I guess it refers to a 180-degree spin midair as one swings across the ravine like Tarzan. I imagine one has to face the right way approaching the other side


Hello Steve. Tarzan: any of this ring a bell?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJFMCuInryA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUPsheELuDE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i__2vabLGxY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCjX5KWDVdo&feature=related
Tarzan & Jane - George of the jungle
George of the Jungle (60s Theme) Sing-Along
Tarzan Lord of the Jungle TV cartoon intro (1976)
Tarzan Cartoon The City of Gold 1 of 10


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(平板)索桥的发明地: 两个不同看法 (?); The Long March Jun 4, 2009

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_bridge#History
In the late 7th Century, the Mayan empire had the earliest known suspended-deck suspension bridge ... Claims that suspension bridges with a horizontal deck ... originated in Tibet or China remain largely unsubstantiated. ...

我国的古代劳动人民还在无法行舟、无法筑墩的急流峡谷上,用
... See more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_bridge#History
In the late 7th Century, the Mayan empire had the earliest known suspended-deck suspension bridge ... Claims that suspension bridges with a horizontal deck ... originated in Tibet or China remain largely unsubstantiated. ...

我国的古代劳动人民还在无法行舟、无法筑墩的急流峡谷上,用竹、藤、铁等材料在世界上首创了多种悬索吊桥,它和拱桥、梁桥并列为桥型的三大基本体系。索桥的发明,是我们祖先同大自然作斗争创造的又一奇迹。(王永宽等编,《祖国》,中国青年出版社,北京,1981)

[ Source text for the Long March translation above:
前进路上数不清的雄关险隘,挡不住具有崇高革命理想的红军。他们都是钢铁汉,万水千山只等闲。在水急浪高、重兵把守的大渡河上,留下了十八勇士的英明;在终年积雪、空气稀薄的大雪山上,红军犹如钢铁洪流,翻越而过;在荒凉泥泞、气候无常的大草地里,英雄的战士就是倒下了,手还指着前方;斗志顽强的红军女战士,爬冰卧雪,行军打仗,和男战士一样勇往直前。
going forth courageously just like the men -> going forth courageously just like the men fighters. ]

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Power project plans for the Nu River; Lanzhou's Yellow River Number One Iron Bridge Jun 5, 2009

1 2003年曾经有过梯级水电站的规划,但由于受到众多专家及环境保护组织人士的质疑,以及媒体的大量调查报道,该规划被搁置下来。这条河流保存了众多少数民族文化和珍贵的水生生物资源,...
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/怒江
怒江

2 Yellow River Number One Iron Bridge:

lai an wrote:
When the iron bridge was being contracted out, Kayousi guaranteed that it would be structurally sound for eighty years, however, later on, before the end of the guarantee period had been reached, whenever carts, horses and foot traffic went across it, the bridge swayed about and was unstable. ... '


Source text:
铁桥承建时,喀佑斯曾保证保固八十年,后来不到保固期,车马行人走在上面就摇晃不定。解放以后,这座长期失修的大桥,已不能担负日益繁忙的运输任务。...

It sounds as if the contractors had not done a good job, however, another article explains the reason ...: 铁桥承建时,喀佑劳动保护曾保证保固80年。但历时仅42年,即1949年,铁桥受战火影响中断了11个昼夜。后经抢修虽恢复了通行,但人行桥上桥面晃动不定,已难以担负日益繁忙的运输任务。...
http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1382544.html
关于兰州中山桥的资料

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primitive bridges Jun 6, 2009

lai an wrote:

(平板)索桥的发明地: 两个不同看法

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_bridge#History
In the late 7th Century, the Mayan empire had the earliest known suspended-deck suspension bridge ... Claims that suspension bridges with a horizontal deck ... originated in Tibet or China remain largely unsubstantiated. ...

我国的古代劳动人民还在无法行舟、无法筑墩的急流峡谷上,用竹、藤、铁等材料在世界上首创了多种悬索吊桥,它和拱桥、梁桥并列为桥型的三大基本体系。索桥的发明,是我们祖先同大自然作斗争创造的又一奇迹。(王永宽等编,《祖国》,中国青年出版社,北京,1981)



Lesley,

I've seen some documentary footage, or rather reenactment, of bridges of ancient Maya/ Inca . Here's a link I found that gives a brief explanation on how these bridges were built and utilized. It seems like the approach was very similar to that of the chain bridges like 泸定桥.

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Inca-rope-bridges



Rope bridges acted as suspension bridges over canyons and gorges to provide access for the Inca Empire. Bridges were available to use since the Inca people had yet to discover the wheel. These bridges were an intricate part on the Inca road system and are an excellent example of Inca innovation in engineering. They were frequently used by Chasqui runners delivering messages throughout the Inca Empire. This article concerns modern suspended deck suspension bridges, commonly called suspension bridges. ... A view of Machu Picchu, the Lost City of the Incas, now an archaelogical site. ... Among the many roads and trails constructed in South America, the Inca road systems in Peru are most extensive yet constructed on the South American continent. ... Representation of a Chasqui The Chasquis were agile and highly trained runners who delivered messages and royal delicacies throughout the Inca Empire, principally serving the Sapa Inca. ...

The construction of these bridges amounted to a pair of stone anchors on each side of the canyon with massive cables of woven ichu grass linking these two pylons together. Adding to this construction, two additional cables acted as guardrails. The cables which supported the foot-path were reinforced with plaited branches. This multi-structure system made these bridges strong enough to even carry the Spaniards while riding horses after they arrived. However, these massive bridges were so heavy that they tended to sag in the middle, and this caused them to sway in high winds.





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YouTube clip Jun 6, 2009

I'm sure they're just having fun at some resort in Cancun in this clip, but the implementation is a simple version of Mayan bridge crossing using rope that dates back to ancient times ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOeDAa6T8Do



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A Paragraph from "History of Bridge Engineering" by Henry Grattan Tyrrell Jun 8, 2009

http://books.google.com/books?id=l0pDAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=primitive%20bridges&source=bl&ots=oLL7mzVv3q&sig=5T_hvPg4EwnoMhphFNb2HXUnQ8c&hl=en&ei=cCQtSt-gDJ3YMfX-uMgJ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#PPA203,M1



The suspension bridge is one of the earliest types, but it has not been developed or adopted as rapidly as other forms, owing chiefly to its lack of rigidity and the absence of correct theory for proportioning stiffening trusses. It was used in remote ages in China, Japan, India, Tibet, and by the Dyaks of Borneo, the Aztecs of Mexico, and the natives of Peru and other parts of South America. In all early forms the platform was supported directly on the cables, which consisted of twisted vines or straps of hide drawn tightly to remove floor sag, the cable ends being fastened to trees or other permanent objects on shore. Light bridges of this kind, requiring no piers, were economical, and are still common in Peru and in parts of China, India and Ireland. A more primitive bridge consisted of a single rope with a basket suspended from it, which was drawn back and forth by a smaller rope or cord. Single tight ropes were also used with smaller ones at higher levels, to form side support for the traveler. Definite information relating to the early history of bridges in China is lacking, but enough is known to prove that supensions were used in that country in very remote times. The first one of which the date is given was built A.D. 65 by order of Emperor Ming, in the province of Yunnan, and as described by Kirchen, was 330 feet long, with a plank floor resting on chains. A similar one at Tchin-Chien was 140 feet long, and another over the river Pei, several hundred feet in length. One in China with the floor resting on the iron suspension chains, resembling the rope bridges of South America, dates back to remote times, and later records show that all in that country before the sixteenth century had floors supported in this way. Foot bridges of this kind crossing ravines and rivers, permitted the Buddhist to reach his house or temple on the other side.



 

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simple suspension bridges; funicular railways; Hong Kong Peak Tram; Weihai mountain cableways Jun 10, 2009

lai an wrote:
lai an wrote:
[另外,我认为‘ 索桥’ might be known as a 'swing bridge' in NZ (and 'cable bridge/suspension bridge' elsewhere): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOZhECMnn8E&feature=channel
Routeburn bridge on a misty autum day ]

[Edited at 2009-05-23 11:26 GMT]


Back to bridges, I do think perhaps the 'swing-bridge' cable needs to be 'tensioned' ...
https://www.allposters.co.uk/-sp/Historic-Swing-Bridge-Over-Glacier-River-Fox-Glacier-Westland-South-Island-New-Zealand-Posters_i2673604_.htm

I don't know whether the Chinese 'chain-bridges' were/are (?) ... :
1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luding_Bridge#Recent_additions
"At Luding Bridge, a local blacksmith gave ... the following account:" ... I take my hat off to the ... soldiers who crawled on the chains. My father and I did it in the old days when we checked the bridge, but we were inside a basket. Those men were brave. They crossed very quickly." " ... the Red Army cut through four of the bridge's nine chains ... "


Thanks, Steve. Yes, indeed. It becomes clearer if you look up 'simple suspension bridge' (and it turns out that my 'swing bridge' is NZ idiom):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_suspension_bridge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_suspension_bridge#History
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Bridge_at_Yaxchilan
A simple suspension bridge (also rope bridge, swing bridge (NZ), suspended bridge, and hanging bridge) is an early type of bridge ... there were at least two independent inventions of the simple suspension bridge, in China and South America.

In China, simple suspension bridges with decking made from planks resting on two cables date back at least to 285BC and other bridges of similar type are recorded in Tibet. ... In South America, Inca rope bridges predate the arrival of the Spanish ... The oldest known suspension bridge, reported from ruins, dates from the 7th Century in Central America ...

Early simple suspension bridges consisted of three or more cables made from vines, where people walked directly on the ropes to cross. ... Simple suspension bridges using iron chains are also documented in China and the Himalayas, ... Maya Bridge at Yaxchilan was the longest bridge yet discovered in the ancient world, dating from its construction by the Maya civilization in the late seventh century ...

2 Song: Funiculì, Funiculà http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/lyrics/funiculi.htm
Angel's Flight Funicular Railway in Los Angeles, California
http://photos.igougo.com/pictures-photos-p197984-The_Wellington_Cable_Car_and_views_of_the_city.html
http://zh-yue.wikipedia.org/wiki/山頂纜車 山頂纜車(Peak Tram,原本叫High-level Tramways)

3 Two mountain cableways in Shandong, Weihai City:

Wencheng City: Shengjing Mountain: ... In 1991, in order to explore and raise the profile of national culture, and taking "If tourism puts up the stage, the economy will put on the show" as its theme, Wendeng City opened up the Shengjingshan Scenic Area. Up to the present time more than 40 million yuan has been invested, in restoring historic sites, improving road access inside and outside the Area, and moreover, in constructing a 1680 metre long cableway to Shengjingshan, at the present time the most advanced single-cable circulating maidong chezu xiangshi high altitude cableway in China, to form a special "landscapised" feature, bringing Taoist culture, ancient and modern calligraphy stone inscriptions, natural scenery, and modern civilisation together in one collective entity. ... (Translated from: Weihai Tourism Authority, "www.sdta.gov.cn/weihai/jingqu")

Rongshui City: Shengshuiguan: ... Taking the thousand-metre cableway, you can take in the immense forest of pines and Chinese scholartrees, until you reach the "Seven Apostles Temple", where you find yourself amongst the cloud and mist, if it is not immortal, it is as good as immortal. When you wander in the mountain, if you are lucky, you can also see herds of wild sika deer, or pick a herb of the utmost medicinal value, glossy ganoderma celestial herb. ... (Translated from: Weihai Tourism Authority, "www.sdta.gov.cn/weihai/jingqu")

[Weihai and Timaru have a sister-city relationship, which is why I did these translations. ]

[Edited at 2009-06-10 21:29 GMT]


 

chica nueva
Local time: 08:17
Chinese to English
falcons etc Jul 27, 2009

wherestip wrote:

Lesley,

Here's another term to consider for 鹞子翻身 ...

http://www.blithe.com/bhq2.1/falcons.html



I told Dad how, when you see the falcons as a heavier spot, and they do this funny curl and meet a tiny spot; that means they're teaching their kids how to hunt. The falcons kill a pigeon and carry it in their claws. They fly out and flip over upside-down, holding the pigeon up for the little falcon, who swoops down and tries to take it from its parents claws. Dad had never heard of that and thought the drunk Indian was just trying to get me to look up into he sky so he could swipe our change.



It's kind of a kooky essay, but the writing is good.



@ Steve 'sparrow-hawk turns over'. Again. It made me think of tumbling and 'gyring'. I wonder if you know anything about gyrfalcons and so on. Hawks/kahu are part of the landscape here, with wild falcons less common. The native falcon is our 'sparrow-hawk'. (The morepork/ruru is a small owl.) Lesley

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrfalcon#Gyrfalcons_and_the_fall_of_the_Liao_Dynasty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_with_eagles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falconry#Falconry_elsewhere ]

[1 Native 'raptors', you can hear their calls: http://www.wingspan.co.nz/falcon_facts.html
http://www.wingspan.co.nz/harrier.html http://www.wingspan.co.nz/morepork.html
http://www.wingspan.co.nz/raptors_extinct.html The Haast Eagle (Pouakai) was the largest eagle ever known
2 http://www.nzbirds.com/birds/falcon.html Karearea, the New Zealand falcon:
http://www.nzbirds.com/birds/kahu.html Kahu, the harrier hawk:
http://www.nzbirds.com/birds/ruru.html Ruru, the morepork:
There are Maori poems here (with English translations), plus illustrations and text.]

[Edited at 2009-08-01 09:05 GMT]


 

wherestip  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 15:17
Chinese to English
+ ...
Barrel Roll Aug 21, 2011

wherestip wrote:

lai an wrote:

请问‘鹞子翻身' = 'sparrow hawk turns over', or ?



Lesley,

How about a "sparrow hawk spiral", or a "falcon's spiral, or spin"?

...



Lesley,

Not that it's important anymore, but I think the terminology for that kind of maneuver is a "barrel roll".

I saw a CNN video clip of an airplane spiraling out of control and crashing into the ground. The spectator who captured the footage at the airshow mentioned that at first he thought the pilot was executing a "barrel roll".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_roll


I assume you're still enjoying your adventure in South America? Take care.


 
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