| Pages in topic: < [1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11] > | TM-Town link at top of Proz kudoz-based ranking searches Thread poster: Jo Macdonald
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| I'm not referring to a directory search via the directory itself | Jul 19, 2016 |
Mirko Mainardi wrote: writeaway wrote: Mirko Mainardi wrote:
Actually, I believe that participation in the "PRO" program doesn't affect directory ranking. AFAIK, only paid membership and KudoZ points should (in that order). After clicking on the links to my own language pairs at the bottom of my personal profile page, I can confirm that all one sees are P badge members. All of them are listed before any lowly "ordinary" members even though the ordinary members may be higher up on the Kudoz star list and may have a more proven track record on the site. I just did a FR-EN directory search, and I see a mix of "P and non-P" paying members listed, ordered by KudoZ points... (1st non-P, 2nd P, 3rd non-P, 4th you, etc.) I would really appreciate not showing these links on a page that is supposed to be mine. Please do allow us to hide these links if we feel it's in our own best interest. Agreed, I would appreciate that as well, but overall, this is starting to look like a lost battle, truth be told...
I'm referring to the link at the bottom of my profile page (only visible if I'm logged out). This link:
More translators and interpreters: French to English - Dutch to English - Flemish to English More language pairs
A visitor (or other logged-out person) is sent directly to a list where all they see at first are Peed people only. They are all placed before any 'ordinary' Proz member. I find this very unfair to say the least. We all pay the same annual fee after all.
[Edited at 2016-07-19 11:08 GMT]
| | | | | Thanks for clarifying | Jul 19, 2016 |
writeaway wrote: Mirko Mainardi wrote: writeaway wrote:
After clicking on the links to my own language pairs at the bottom of my personal profile page, I can confirm that all one sees are P badge members. All of them are listed before any lowly "ordinary" members even though the ordinary members may be higher up on the Kudoz star list and may have a more proven track record on the site. I just did a FR-EN directory search, and I see a mix of "P and non-P" paying members listed, ordered by KudoZ points... (1st non-P, 2nd P, 3rd non-P, 4th you, etc.) I'm referring to the link at the bottom of my profile page (only visible if I'm logged out). This link: More translators and interpreters: French to English - Dutch to English - Flemish to English More language pairs A visitor (or other logged-out person) is sent directly to a list of Peed people only. They are all placed before any 'ordinary' Proz member. I find this unfair to say the least. We all pay the same annual fee after all.
Ah, I see. Yes you're right, in that case I can only see "peed" (lol) users up to the 9th page. Actually, I don't understand how that's supposed to work, nor its rationale, also considering that it seems I can't find the 1st "P member" appearing in the first page of the "standard" directory search I did before anywhere in those 9 pages... O_o
| | | | Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 20:28
Member (2008)
Italian to English
writeaway wrote:
....A visitor (or other logged-out person) is sent directly to a list where all they see at first are Peed people only. They are all placed before any 'ordinary' Proz member. I find this very unfair to say the least. We all pay the same annual fee after all.
[Edited at 2016-07-19 11:08 GMT]
...and the status of that "Pee" is questionable.
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writeaway wrote:
I'm referring to the link at the bottom of my profile page (only visible if I'm logged out). This link:
More translators and interpreters: French to English - Dutch to English - Flemish to English More language pairs
A visitor (or other logged-out person) is sent directly to a list where all they see at first are Peed people only. They are all placed before any 'ordinary' Proz member. I find this very unfair to say the least. We all pay the same annual fee after all.
I also refer to that link Pee or no Pee it is unfair
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Sheila Wilson 
Spain
Local time: 20:28
Member (2007)
English
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| Link not working as intended? | Jul 19, 2016 |
Mirko Mainardi wrote:
I can only see "peed" (lol) users up to the 9th page. Actually, I don't understand how that's supposed to work, nor its rationale, also considering that it seems I can't find the 1st "P member" appearing in the first page of the "standard" directory search I did before anywhere in those 9 pages
ProZ.com seem to have quite a lot of work to do if we are to be given the quality of exposure we've always been promised in exchange for our money. I'm "peed" myself but I don't think there was ever any idea of being put at the top of the list for that reason.
| | | | | The translators are even given a number!!!!! | Jul 19, 2016 |
For instance in French-English, we have lucky P no. 1 down to P no. 164 and only THEN (nine pages later) do we see the unpeed users (or as my history professor would have called us, the great unwashed).
What is the point of assigning numbers? They look like rankings - so who would want to hire no. 122 (you Sheila) or me, lowly no. 167! And what visitor is going to look at more than a page or two?
I would really like to have the option to make this list invisible on ... See more For instance in French-English, we have lucky P no. 1 down to P no. 164 and only THEN (nine pages later) do we see the unpeed users (or as my history professor would have called us, the great unwashed).
What is the point of assigning numbers? They look like rankings - so who would want to hire no. 122 (you Sheila) or me, lowly no. 167! And what visitor is going to look at more than a page or two?
I would really like to have the option to make this list invisible on what is supposedly my profile page.
Or, why not just send visitors to the usual (more fair) list of translators and interpreters, where Kudoz pointz still determine the ranking? That list is also broken down by specialist fields, which makes a lot more sense (imo).
The Peed users already have a lot of privileges and special treatment, including their very own private forum, hidden from view/inaccessible for ordinary Proz users. That has no effect on the rest of us. Why not just leave it at that? ▲ Collapse
| | | | | Hold on a minute there... | Jul 19, 2016 |
Sheila Wilson wrote:
ProZ.com seem to have quite a lot of work to do if we are to be given the quality of exposure we've always been promised in exchange for our money.
Hi Sheila. Thanks for being a (very) long-standing member!
Connections happen via the ProZ.com directory or the job posting system approximately 300 times a day. Additional connections happen through the corporate directory, which is used by 3-400 people and companies a day to find translation companies. Looking only at the freelance side of things, it can be estimated that roughly $1B (USD) in translation work has been assigned through the site since its inception. This does not include follow-on work, in which outsourcers work with translators who they first met through the site, without going through the site again. (We actually encourage that, unlike every other freelance website that I know of, because we consider that we work for freelancers.) To include that side of the business would result in a much larger figure.
So the amount of work obtained by freelance translators as a result of investing in ProZ.com membership is in the billions (USD). As a long-standing member I imagine you have experienced the effectiveness of the site, and you probably are in a position to project out from your own numbers. (Take the number of clients you have met over the past nine years as a member of ProZ.com, and the amount of business you have done with those clients over the course of your relationships with them, and multiply by tens of thousands of members...)
Again, that does not include companies. At one of our powwows, a gentleman approached me and thanked me for the site. He said he would be invoicing 750,000 (USD) in business this year, as a translation company, thanks to ProZ.com. I asked him what percentage of his clients were from ProZ.com. He said "All of them! That's why I am thanking you!" He had paid about $100 for membership that year. (We did not yet have corporate membership.)
You can say many things about ProZ.com... but you can't say that it does not offer value for the money!
| | | | | Different topic - will address in the future | Jul 19, 2016 |
writeaway wrote:
For instance in French-English, we have lucky P no. 1 down to P no. 164 and only THEN (nine pages later) do we see the unpeed users...
Hi writeaway! This is really a separate topic from the one raised in this thread. That is something that has been there for a while and that I imagine is a very minor feature. With all due respect to those who have picked up on this topic, I am not going to deal with this one right now. (I will in the future.) Thank you again.
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| Thanks Henry. | Jul 19, 2016 |
Henry Dotterer wrote: writeaway wrote:
For instance in French-English, we have lucky P no. 1 down to P no. 164 and only THEN (nine pages later) do we see the unpeed users... Hi writeaway! This is really a separate topic from the one raised in this thread. That is something that has been there for a while and that I imagine is a very minor feature. With all due respect to those who have picked up on this topic, I am not going to deal with this one right now. (I will in the future.) Thank you again.
I understand there's a lot going on at the moment.
| | | | Sheila Wilson
Spain
Local time: 20:28
Member (2007)
English
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| I didn't intend to imply that the site hasn't been working for me, Henry. Far from it! | Jul 19, 2016 |
Henry Dotterer wrote:
I asked him what percentage of his clients were from ProZ.com. He said "All of them! That's why I am thanking you!"
That would be my answer too! Almost all my clients have come to me via ProZ.com, one way or another: profile messages, public and private job postings, referrals from other members, contacts made at conferences, and even messages from direct clients who come here to look for a professional on a once-off basis. I'm far from complaining about the ROI in the past.
What I meant - and apologies if it wasn't clear - is that the links being discussed here aren't doing us any service, and I feel as though the benefits are being eroded every moment. There's a lot of very clear information on the site about how to market ourselves for maximum success. We're told to have a 100% complete profile; that paying members are always listed before registered users; and that we are ranked according to the number of relevant KudoZ points we have (as long as we pass any client-selected filters).
I think that's the way it's happening in some areas of the site, which is good because many of us have paid a lot of attention to improving our ranking in the translators' directory. But it clearly isn't happening everywhere. To have clients lured away at the last moment, in any fashion whatsoever, is absolutely unacceptable, IMHO. If it's to another part of the site for which there is a separate membership fee (i.e. a competitor unless one pays twice) and where we are ranked according to totally different criteria, then that seems to me to be unethical - pure and simple. I'm glad to see that's being addressed at the moment and that you're willing to address the other problem elsewhere.
As I say above, ProZ.com has worked very well for me over the last nine years, thank you. I would very much like to see that continue. Just at the moment I can see little rosiness in the future of a professional translator (rather than a "human word processor") here if the emphasis continues to be towards big data, volumes and number-crunching and less and less on our skills and the provision of quality intellectual services.
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Henry Dotterer wrote: You can say many things about ProZ.com... but you can't say that it does not offer value for the money!
Hello Henry
Of course it does, it does a lot, this is because I have been paying as a member since 2003, and will continue for sure, what I am asking is to please delete the link at the bottom of my profile page, saying: other translators in this pair, because it could devert a potential client to my competitors.
Thanks for taking also care of this.
| | | | Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 20:28
Member (2008)
Italian to English
Sheila Wilson wrote:
.... ProZ.com has worked very well for me over the last nine years...
But that's over now.
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Zea_Mays
Italy
Local time: 21:28
Member (2009)
English to German
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| Please remove also those links | Jul 19, 2016 |
Hi Henry,
may I just bring this unfair situation to your attention?
Zea_Mays wrote: As for the TM-T link in the Jobs tab AND the TM-T advertising on the translator search page, see the pic below. 
| | | | Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 20:28
Member (2008)
Italian to English
Zea_Mays wrote: Hi Henry,
may I just bring this unfair situation to your attention? Zea_Mays wrote: As for the TM-T link in the Jobs tab AND the TM-T advertising on the translator search page, see the pic below.
Yes. please remove them.
| | | | Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 20:28
Member (2008)
Italian to English
| Either that or... | Jul 25, 2016 |
I suggest that TM Town and the Kudoz ranking should be integrated so that both are shown to the prospective client, at the same time. The one should not be an alternative to the other.
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